The Glade 4.0

So rights are laws, and nothing more than that?

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

I'd actually label them more as ideas personally.

An idea isn't anything though, an idea has no inherent power.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

I disagree entirely. Ideas are the foundation of almost everything man made.

So are rights good ideas?

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

Depends on which ones, who you ask and when you ask them.

They can be slippery that way.

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In time, this too shall pass.

Some are most certainly.

Since all rights are interelated in the philosphy this is a yes or no question.

You cannot have some rights without having a logical contradiction in your ideas.

So. Rights good idea or bad idea?

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

Is everything man has made been a good idea?

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Yes you can. There is no reason it has to be a yes or no question other than your deisre for it to be one.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Do you own yourself DE?

If yes then it is a yes or no question, if no then who does?

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

Not asking about everything.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

Precisely. Moreover:


If "decency" is a valid basis for discrimination, then I suppose you would support -- let's say -- an conservative, Iranian business owner requiring that all female patrons wear head scarves and clothing that covers their legs to the ankle? Or is it only Western(TM) decency standards that get exceptions under the law? Wait, weren't we supposed to be stopping institutionalized racism/culturalism? Hmm....

As to health concerns, there's a larger issue here about whether or not "nanny" laws like that should even exist in the first place, but I don't want to derail the conservation. So for the sake of argument, I won't go there now. That said:

Demonstrate to me that a man (or woman, for that matter...) renting a car while shirtless or shoeless poses any significant, scientifically measurable health risk to anyone else.

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Sail forth! steer for the deep waters only!
Reckless, O soul, exploring, I with thee, and thou with me;
For we are bound where mariner has not yet dared to go,
And we will risk the ship, ourselves and all.

Don't try to change the question. You have not demonstrated that rights must necessarily be a good idea or a bad idea or that any logical contradiction must arise if they are not exclusively one or the other.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Thanks for answering my question which was going to demonstrate how they are all linked. Your post is certainly not an attempt to avoid me proving my point or misdirection into a baseless attack on me.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

Aizle said they are man-made ideas. You then asked "So they are good ideas?".

In other words, you asked a question, not if they were good ideas, but assuming that they are, and asking him to confirm it, on nothing more than his assertion that they are man-made.

Therefore it follows that you think that being man-made leads to a thing being good. This does not follow unless you also think every other thing man-made is good.

Or you could, you know, quit trying to create traps for people and just argue your own position.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Wow, look, another completely content-free post from Elmo, where he pretends he made some unstated point!

You're absolutely correct about one thing though: My post is certainly not an attempt to avoid you proving your point or misdirection into a baseless attack on you. You have no point. You've simply asserted that rights must necessarily be a good or bad idea, and that thinking otherwise leads to some contradiction. When this is pointed out, you refuse to explain how you come to this conclusion but instead try to ask a different question.

All you're trying to do is play word games to make it appear that you've shown something.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

You want to answer the question so I can show you DE or are you too afraid that I will (again)?

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

Why does he need to answer ... and how does your explanation rely on his answer?

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In time, this too shall pass.

Do you want to answer it for yourself?

Its been my experience that everytime this comes up the same people start distracting from the topic in the same manners and no matter how many times I explain they come back in a few months with the same tired jibber jabber. This leaves me one option if I want them to understand - to attempt to explain it in a personal example.

Of course DE's lack of willingness to do this so I can explain simply shows to me that he really isn't interested in anything at all but distraction from the issue at hand - especially since he is the one that decided to poke his statement into a line of communication between Aizle and myself.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

I have - the answer is "It depends".

Now, please show whatever it is you want to show.

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In time, this too shall pass.

No, it's not a yes or no question, regardless of how your black and white mentality might try and make it one.

Really it is.

Let me explain to you how it is - do you own yourself?

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

How about you actually explain it rather than asking a question.

Eh, I'll play along. My answer, however, depends on how you define the concept of ownership. What does the word "own" mean in the context of your question?