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And you, sir, still set the benchmark for Kaffis-cool.

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Of course I do. I am Kaffis-cool by fiat.

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"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

What's the "specificity of language" you would suggest be used Rynar?

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Yeah... I suppose that was on par with, "And you, sir, breathe air."

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The meaning and application origionally attributed, with any deviations or abreviations being labled as such.

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What does that mean within the context of this discussion?

I just see some folks try to claim a win by declaring they've won in the past and therefor they win now, and I see you asking a lot of questions but not really saying anything concrete.

Time to go out on a limb and apply some specificity.

I think we both agree that this case should have never have been brought, but the bottom line... the only defensible position one can take with regard to rights ... is that the more powerful define them and the less powerful live with those results.

There's not a whole lot of "specificity of language" that'll matter in Michigan if that state wins this one.

The Federal Civil Rights Act guarantees all people the right to ... That there's a ton of "specificity of language", but I see it as stepping all over my rights so others have a heaping helping of theirs. Not that my opinion matters, just sayin.

And if there's a law similar to CA's "Unruh Civil Rights Act", then the lady will lose big time.

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This conversation has evolved (devolved?) into a discussion about the nature of rights, and this is an important parcel of the discussion.



Yes, but you are smarter than that, and know what the conversation is about despite the best efforts of a few who are trying to **** on it.



Your llama lumps get sexier and sexier by the second.



This statement is entirely untrue given any historical context. Rights are, and have always been, protected, or not, by those who are more powerful. They have never had licence over language, and it's meaning. If they did, then there would be no words in existance such as "oppression", "plight", or "subjugation".



I would argue that if Michigan wins this one, it will never have mattered more. Are you assuming a position in which nothing beyond the law matters?

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As far as the gist of the issue reported by the original post? Absolutely.

I'll leave all the bullshit tangents to you and others who think their imaginations carry more weight than does realty.

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Voting does not change the meaning of words, or corrupt the intent of ideas. If it does, then the ideas of Locke, Smith, and Jefferson no longer exist because they have been modified, and their terminology no longer has meaning. Voting simply changes the willingness of any democratic system to protect or infringe on various rights. You cannot increase the rights of one man by decreasing the rights of another.

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When the words of other men, whom you presume to be your betters, hold so much sway over the thoughts you allow yourself, I weep for you.

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Voting sure the hell bites us in the *** when we're on the short end of the stick, like the gal in Michigan right now. You're gunna need to wake up, Rynar. You've got a place picked out for when the fur starts flying, but your "Plan B" for the changes taking place in reality, the right here and now, suck if all you've got is "Locke, Smith, and Jefferson".

This gal should have kept her cards closer to her vest. For all your faith in "Locke, Smith, and Jefferson", she's in need of a good lawyer, nothing else.

You know why you need to be grounded in reality? "Cause you, me and every one here who thinks "we have rights"!, along with everyone else, seem to be coming to a time in history where the screws' turning and the "have-not's" are becoming the "might" and they're fixing to be right, no matter what it costs those who "have".

And... they don't know nor care about "Locke, Smith, and Jefferson".

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Sheer hogwash. "Specificity of language" is just another way of saying "I get to define the concepts and you don't."

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

This is an awful lot of words, which you could have easily replaced with, "You and I have different lines in the sand," and not sold out the concept of what liberty is to the dollar store tyrants.

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By "Hogwash" I assume you mean brilliance? I've changed the meaning of the word, you see.

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What's this crap supposed to be? The little ... thing was funny for a while but it's sorely overused. Shock?

The fact is that he did say they were evenly applied. Your question about rights to specific employment opportunities both doesn't pertain to his position and is a useless question because you haven't agreed with Rori on a mutual definition of rights. You don't get to appeal to specificity of language or to philosophy to claim the right to define the temr; that's the same as saying you're unwilling to debate on an equal footing.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

That seems to impress you so I figured I'd go for it.

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Don't feign indignance. You aren't impressing anyone.

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"/shinies" would have been faster.

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I don't care what you've done. I haven't changed the meaning of the word, and you know perfectly well what it means. It is not a broad concept extending far beyond one or two line definitions as "rights" are.

In any case your silly attempt at reducio makes the presumtion that your definition of rights is the accepted one and anyone else's is changing it. It's nothing but hubris.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Not as much fun though.

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Don't feign indignance. You aren't impressing anyone.[/quote]

It's not feigned indignance. It's a very real pointing out that you're attempting to evade dealing with what he actually said.

"..." is feigned indignance.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

The hilarity of this after insisting on a definition of rights come up with by precisely such men is hilarious.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Montesque. Congrats on cheapening yourself.

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No man holds sway over my thoughts, respect and reverence for the ability of human beings to communicate intellegently does.

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Whatever makes you feel better. Quite frankly the fact that Monty was all **** up does not mean that you weren't int he crowd constantly trying to use "specificity of language" to beat him instead of beating him on the actual issues.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."