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http://azstarnet.com/news/blogs/pueblo-politics/article_3bbf4f4e-e12c-11df-b57f-001cc4c002e0.html

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Court overturns Arizona's proof of citizenship requirement for voter registration
Rhonda Bodfield, Arizona Daily Star

The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals has overturned Arizona’s requirement that people show proof of citizenship to register to vote.

The split decision by a three-judge panel determined that the requirement to show proof of citizenship — passed by voters in 2004 — is not consistent with the National Voter Registration Act.

Associate Justice Sandra Day O’Connor, temporarily sitting by designation, and Circuit Judge Sandra Ikuta, with chief judge Alex Kozinski dissenting, said Prop. 200 creates an additional hurdle, while the national act is intended to reduce “state-imposed obstacles” to registration.

The majority noted that Congress was well aware of the problem of voter fraud when it passed the voter act, and built in sufficient protections, including applying perjury penalties to applicants who lie about their eligibilty.

The court determined Arizona’s polling place photo identification requirement, however, is a minimal burden and does not violate the Equal Protection Clause in the 14th Amendment.

Attorney General Terry Goddard’s office is still reviewing the decision and was unavailable for comment.

Secretary of State Ken Bennett said he does not anticipate that the ruling will make any difference in voting next week, since it wasn’t in place when registration closed Oct. 4.

Bennett said the state plans to appeal the ruling, adding he disagrees the documentation sets up a barrier for registration. “I think it’s an outrage and a slap in the face of Arizonans who are concerned about the integrity of elections,” he said.

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How is showing proof of citizenship a "burden"?

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what kind of proof of citizenship would be required other than a driver license (which is still being upheld)? Birth Cert? SS Card? aka the things I had to show to get my driver's license?

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Rorinthas wrote:
what kind of proof of citizenship would be required other than a driver license (which is still being upheld)? Birth Cert? SS Card? aka the things I had to show to get my driver's license?

Don't have to be a citizen to have a license, at least not in most states. Does AZ have any identifying marks on the license for non-citizens?

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you still have to appear on the voting roles and your drivers lic. is checked against the list of people registered to vote.

lets be honest, the thread title is false. You STILL must be a citizen to vote. You just don't have to provide documentation beyond a photo ID when you go to the polls. (which you still must do)

To vote:
You must REGISTER to vote (donno about AZ but that's done most the time at the DMV or County Clerk's office when you get your driver's lic/state ID card. At that time you have to provide proof of Identity (SS card, etc)

I don't see how making people bring that same documentation to the polls does anything but add time and expense for all parties. The documents are still just as falsifiable and probably less secure at the polls which are typically staffed by people with a few hrs of training at most (at least the folks at the DMV look at the stuff day in and day out and have more training)
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Reread the first line of the article, Riov; the court overturned the requirement to show proof of citizenship to *register* to vote.

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Müs wrote:
How is showing proof of citizenship a "burden"?

It's a pain in the ***.

I just had to renew my drivers license. The last time I renewed it was 10 years ago. The requirement was to have my birth certificate, SSN and proof of residence (various methods for this, I used a utility bill).

My existing drivers license wasn't expired yet, and that is all the proof I've needed to establish identity before that. Showing proof of identity, to me, is showing my license. All that other crap qualifies as "burden" in my book.

Well, not a burden to me personally, but I had to have my wife find all that stuff, and I'm sure she was burdened. :)

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Taskiss wrote:
It's a pain in the ***.


So is voting... I'd guess, I haven't done it before.
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It's a pain in the ***.


So is voting... I'd guess, I haven't done it before.


Far less than you'd imagine. It doesn't take long. Mostly its a pin if you're going to be out of town.

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Diamondeye wrote:
Lex Luthor wrote:
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It's a pain in the ***.


So is voting... I'd guess, I haven't done it before.


Far less than you'd imagine. It doesn't take long. Mostly its a pin if you're going to be out of town.


I always have imagined a situation like the RMV.
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Lex Luthor wrote:
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It's a pain in the ***.


So is voting... I'd guess, I haven't done it before.


Looks like MoveOn.org created an ad just for you:



C'mon man, don't let them down, or Republicorp will takeover...
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Diamondeye wrote:
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It's a pain in the ***.


So is voting... I'd guess, I haven't done it before.


Far less than you'd imagine. It doesn't take long. Mostly its a pin if you're going to be out of town.

In Missouri, they send me a postcard, I show up with it and give it to them, and then I fill out the ballot.

You register to vote at the license bureau.

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So, wait, if I vote for Palin in 2012, she'll finally give the Pacific Ocean the ass-kicking it deserves?

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Kaffis Mark V wrote:
Reread the first line of the article, Riov; the court overturned the requirement to show proof of citizenship to *register* to vote.

Ooh, yuck that's different.

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Ok that ad was kinda retarded... but Mr. Caruthers... GENIUS!

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Even if it is a burden...so what? Being a citizen is a requirement to vote. The purpose of voter registration is to validate the eligibility requirements of those who wish to vote. So, requiring proof of citizenship is entirely reasonable, even if it is a "burden". I'm all in favor of "the government which governs least governs best", but that doesn't mean that it's automatically wrong for the government to impose on the people. If doing so is legitimately necessary and proper for it to fulfill its obligations to the public, then so be it.

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Computer security is a burden too but is necessary. And it's very analogous to this... who can access what.
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