The Glade 4.0

You just object to the way I phrase it.

"The fire dept should not have put out the fire because he didn't pay for the services" and

"An old man's house burned down while the fire dept. stood around with their hands in their pockets because he didn't pay $75." is saying the exact same thing, just worded differently.

That's your stance, which you've stated over and over. It sounds as crappy as it is, the way I phrase it, and that's what you object to.

Actually, it isn't.

Yours has more detail, is loaded with criticism, very judgmental.

DEs, while still rendering an opinion, is very plain and procedural.

If you don't recognize that and think the statements are nearly identical, you won't be getting a job in literary analysis anytime soon.

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

Well, let's see...

In both phrases, the house burned down.

In both phrases, the fire dept. didn't put out the fire.

In both phrases, it was because the homeowner didn't pay the $75.

Hmmmmmm. Sounds like they say the same thing to me.

Except that you did not state my position.

My position is not

"The fire dept should not have put out the fire because he didn't pay for the services."

My position is:

"If the fire department had put out the fire, it would encourage other people not to pay the fee, and would ultimately harm fire coverage for everyone."

I never said they should not put out the fire; I said there is nothing wrong with their decision not to because the long term harm from doing so would be greater than the short term harm from not doing so. If they had put out the fire, they still could not be blamed because they were still trying to do the right thing either way.

I'm sure you'll continue to lie about what I said though.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Yep, troll and fool.

Not you DE.

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

Did we trade on tool for another?

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

I think the entire moral of this thread is that Jesus hates fire.

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I'm just digging how the appeal to emotion gets thicker and thicker.

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

I am reconsidering my position about the potential of a former posting using a new screen name.

Do I get a cookie then?

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I've thought about this, and rejected it. The "speech patterns" are far too dissimilar. Sadly, I think the world is unfortunate enough to have two of them.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

I've toyed with the idea it is Talya trolling a Monte clone to stir the pot, but this is way beyond the point I believe she would take it to.

Then again,the name Farther, could mean that she was going farther than anyone expected.

Then again, he/she could be a distinct individual. One of the wonders of the internet, we just don't know unless someone reveals.

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

Farther, I find your position on compassion and your subsequent wish for some karmic retaliatory misfortune for folks that don't subscribe to that position very interesting.

You seem to consider any misfortune (no matter that it's self-inflicted) to be cause for some compassionate response.

So, if someone does suffer some karmic retribution for disagreeing with you, you're prepared to feel compassion, correct? Have you considered that the individual who suffered the misfortune of his home burning is just getting a karmic pay-back from refusing to support the fire district after they supported him in his previous fire?

Is it as troubling as it seems, your behavior of wishing misfortune on others, just to find yourself feeling compassion for them for the misfortune you wished on them? Talk about twisting logic into a mobius strip!

I feel sorry for you... no I don't, burn you bastard! ... yes I do, I'm so sorry!...arg!

It's not easy being you, is it?

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In time, this too shall pass.

Ok, this made me LOL.

Perhaps we've found the rare and elusive bleeding heart conservative?

Being me is quite easy. I don't have to be concerned with race, or gender, or sexual orientation, or age, or religion. I don't have to be concerned with whether taxes have been paid, or fees paid. If a human needs help, I help within the limits of my ability.

I look at this forum and ask myself, "If I fell into a bad situation and needed help, would I want someone like many of you folks to come along, or would I want someone such as myself to come along." And the answer to that is amazingly simple. If someone such as myself came along, I'd get what I needed, and any issues would be dealt with in time. With some of you, maybe not so much.

And the funny thing is, if I were to run into one of you who needed help in an emergency situation, you'd get it from me without regard for what happens on this forum.

Farther:

A fool and his money are never so easily separate as when they perceive someone in need.

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I'm sure that you'd get exactly the same result from the other forum members here.

But if someone keeps falling into a bad situation, and keeps asking for help, time and time again, without regard to their own responsibility to help prevent needing that help or footing the bill for the cost, at what point to you say enough is enough? All most folks here are saying is there is a point for that, and after that point it's not the good samaritan who's at fault, it's the idiot that can't learn.

No, you'd get what you want. That may not be what you need.

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I doubt this.

If someone like you came along and found someone in need, I think they'd do what would make them feel better about themselves, not necessarily what was needed.

I've been faced with saying "no" many times as a parent, to myself, to others... and many MANY times it would have been easier and more gratifying to have said "yes". Doing the right thing ... well, I've found that to be the hardest road to take.

I've even learned to doubt myself when I face a decision and feel inclined to do what comes easiest, 'cause I have greater responsibilities than just gratifying myself.

Besides, I'm on my third marriage. Starting over with absolutely nothing doesn't scare me - been there, done that, walked away with only what I wore on my back.

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In time, this too shall pass.

lol

Thank you, thank you very much.