The Glade 4.0

<-- fiscally conservative

1.) I don't have enough funds to go conspicuously consumpting.

2.) Saving and the intelligent application/investing of funds is much more productive (especially in the long run). And not just on the personal level.

Only aspect of the "on the books" definition of fiscal conservativism I disagree with is free trade (or at least completely free trade). Some regulations really need to be enforced so things don't get out of hand.

I'm not sure how you couldn't understand the right to grains (brains).

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

Who said I'm a fiscal conservative? I think there are plenty of things that can be funded by social programs. Public schools, transportation, structured non-profit organizations for certain aspects where welfare benefits the community.

Now, if someone disagrees that this is contrary to my supposed previously stated positions, I would like him to explain why he feels that way.

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

Raf, do you think government should go on a diet?

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In time, this too shall pass.

I wouldn't call it a diet, I'd call it detox.

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

I'd quibble with public transportation being a 'social' program but other than that it doesn't seem out of character for you.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Well, some people's posts have, sadly.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

Aren't they all? Hasn't everything that could be said already been said?

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"...the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?" -Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Chicken butt!

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In time, this too shall pass.

Indeed it has ...

You provided a definition that substantiates my position: the majority of Gladers are actually liberal, but keep hemming and hawing that it should not be so.

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This is what happens when people use words and have not agreed on meaning.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

While very true, what I find at the same time both interesting and supremely annoying is that definitions that everyone I seem to talk to in the real world all immediately understand provide huge amounts of confusion here.

There's no confusion here. What about your definition of liberal fails to include the majority of Gladers? I'm seriously trying to understand why you think the vast majority of this forum so demonstrably "conservative" when neither your definitions nor your arguments support that conclusion. What about this place is particularly conservative?

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Clearly, Khross, Elmo doesn't support a Constitution, fair elections, free trade, or human rights.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

Define Constitution please.

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I find the terms left and right easier to use than liberal and conservative when discussing politics, not much more so but still people don't mix their usage in the lexicon with that of their usage as political jargon.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

I think the board as a whole is generally socially liberal and fiscally conservative.

For the most part anyway

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Holy shitsnacks!

^this, with notable notorious exceptions.

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In time, this too shall pass.

Every so often that glade quotes thread comes in handy:

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

lets try another tack:

all other things being equal, would you be more likely to vote for the avowed "liberal" canidate or the "Conservative" canidate

Liberal!

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...Live as if you'll die tomorrow

Vivere Senza Rimpianti

False dilemma.

I vote for the candidates whose policies I know I most closely align with, or I throw the 3rd party a bone, or I abstain. I don't vote party or ideological line.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

So, in a thread where there is a clearly a disagreement on the meaning of of "Liberal" and "Conservative" and the only definitions provided aren't even consistent, you think this question is trying another tack?

its only a false dilemma if I state that you MUST vote for A or B ignoring the possiblity of C or no choice. In this case i asked which you were more LIKELY to vote for. That's in no way a false dilemma.

So which cannidate's policies TEND to more closely align with your beliefs.