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DENAIR, Calif. -- A Stanislaus County school is forcing a student to take an American flag off of his bike. Thirteen-year-old Cody Alicea put the flag there as a show of support for the veterans in his family. But officials at Denair Middle School told him he couldn't fly it. He said he was told some students had complained. So now the eighth-grader folds up the flag and puts it in his backpack while he is in class.

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Outside of the school, a large U.S. flag flies from atop a flagpole.


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Wow.

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As bad as we think lawyers are, this is what you get when school officials play lawyer.

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DENAIR, Calif. -- A teenage boy is proudly flying an American flag on his bike again after a flap from his school.
Cody Alicea, 13, said he put a flag there as a show of support for the veterans in his family.
But officials at Denair Middle School told him he couldn't fly it. He said he was told some students had complained.
Alicea said since the controversy, people have been honking and waving at him as he goes down the street.
However, the school said it changed its view, and now Alicea can fly his flag.
Denair Unified School District Superintendent Superintendent Edward Parraz said he got calls from halfway around the world about the flag; even some soldiers in Afghanistan called to complain.
The story has gained national attention, from Rush Limbaugh to the Drudge Report.
A group of Stanislaus County mothers said they plan on walking their children to school with flags in hand to show their support.
State Sen. Jeff Denham, R-Merced, said in a written statement Friday that the school's original decision was "anti-veteran."
"Many American men and women have given their lives to defend our right to fly the flag -- Cody should have that right, too," Denham, who was just elected to Congress, said in a written statement.


Looks like they changed their minds.


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Seriously, I just don't get how this happens. What kind of dumb *** do you have to be to think this might be the right thing to do?


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Aizle wrote:
Seriously, I just don't get how this happens. What kind of dumb *** do you have to be to think this might be the right thing to do?


"Let's Please Everyone and Be Politically Correct" FTW!


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Aizle wrote:
Seriously, I just don't get how this happens. What kind of dumb *** do you have to be to think this might be the right thing to do?


Some students were complaining and they wanted to resolve the issue, so they picked this direction.


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The principal paints a picture of flag-flying as a baring of teeth between, apparently, Mexican students and, uh.. "white" students, I suppose. To what degree this is true and to what degree it's a problem even assuming it's true is probably not something we'll have an accurate picture of through the media.

If I had to guess, this was more or less an unthinking reaction. Students do X which raises hostility and divisiveness, so principal puts a stop to X. I'll bet he never considered the national impact, that it would even have a national impact... or the simple fact that when you step back and look at the big picture* it's so blatantly stupid.

*as opposed to seeing it only as something some students are doing for, purportedly, a specific purpose.


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Its actually pretty worrying that the folks who made that decision are still teaching there though.

For everyone who thinks this is ridiculous, here's a question: Would you have a problem with a kid walking to school flying an Iranian flag? What about Turkish? French? British?


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SuiNeko, I wouldn't have a problem with any of those flags being carried in a relatively peaceful manner, in plain sight, in the United States. Especially from a kid, but really from anyone. This is a classic freedom of speech, freedom of expression issue. It gets the "I may not agree with what you are saying, and I may think you're a jerk for saying it, but I'll fight to my dying breath for your right to say it" reaction.

However, carry any of those flags as a belligerent attacking the United States (physically, not verbally) and I'll shoot you down like a mad dog.

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SuiNeko wrote:
Its actually pretty worrying that the folks who made that decision are still teaching there though.

For everyone who thinks this is ridiculous, here's a question: Would you have a problem with a kid walking to school flying an Iranian flag? What about Turkish? French? British?


No, but the question is irrelevant, because this is the U.S. and not any of those other countries.

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Irrelevant /to you/. Thanks for answering though.


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Schools tend to take entirely too much leeway with their ability to deal with anything that "causes a disruption"

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SuiNeko wrote:
Its actually pretty worrying that the folks who made that decision are still teaching there though.

For everyone who thinks this is ridiculous, here's a question: Would you have a problem with a kid walking to school flying an Iranian flag? What about Turkish? French? British?

Not if the flag in question was the national flag where the kid was walking to school.

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Not if the flag in question was the national flag where the kid was walking to school.


To clarify, I meant in the US


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Ed Parraz, the Superintendent of the Denair School District told us a school supervisor asked Cody to take down the flag. The supervisor will not be fired or face repercussions. Parraz says the supervisor had information that Cody Alicea's safety was at risk because of the flag. Some students had complained about it and had apparently made threats.

"The last thing we wanted was to deny Cody his rights," said Parraz speaking about the boy's wish to fly the American flag.

Parraz said national flags were banned from campus after a Cinco De Mayo incident when tensions escalated between students displaying the Mexican flag and those waving the Stars and Stripes. Recently, several students complained and there was even one threat.


This is certainly a problem in a number of ways. I agree with Noggel that it's probably an "unthinking" reaction. They just wanted the problem to go away and decided to tell the kid to put the flag away. So the comment of "The last thing we wanted was to deny Cody his rights" is bullshit, that's the second thing they wanted, the first being not to have to deal with this at all.

Whats worse is that the school caved to reports of threats against this kid and responded by making him comply with the threats.

SuiNeko's question is interesting though. Generally speaking no I wouldnt have a problem with another flag but it depends on the context. Italy wins the world cup and a bunch of kids start waving the Italian flag... zero problem. A border state with a very high immigration population yes I'm concerned about assimilation, so I might look at it differently depending on context. In this case apparently there are already tensions and that's a problem.

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I don't see how the school feels their further explanation is helping. I do see in that statement a certain viewpoint that is a problem, and the administrators should seek immediate counciling from R Lee Ermey and/or Ted Nugent.

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So to make sure I understand... if the school finds a piece of paper on a student with teachers names on it, they assume its a hit list and kick the child out of school... but if a student makes a threat against another student to the school administration, they make the targeted student stop whatever activity caused the threat...


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Hannibal wrote:
I don't see how the school feels their further explanation is helping. I do see in that statement a certain viewpoint that is a problem, and the administrators should seek immediate counciling from R Lee Ermey and/or Ted Nugent.


I'm sure the issue is that if the school doesn't act, then the kid flying the american flag gets jumped by a bunch of kids that they had warning about then the parents of said kid sue the **** out of the school.

In general the schools today are stuck between a rock and a hard place because of incompetent parents and various legal requirements that they have.

That said, this was still a boneheaded call.


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So to make sure I understand... if the school finds a piece of paper on a student with teachers names on it, they assume its a hit list and kick the child out of school... but if a student makes a threat against another student to the school administration, they make the targeted student stop whatever activity caused the threat...


You're assuming that the threat was heard by a teacher or someone of authority at the school. Some kids say that so and so is threatening kids there's not much they can do, it's hearsay.


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The school reports the threats to the police where the reports of threats should go.

The school is attempting to act in a role that it has no business, training, or authority.

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Aizle wrote:
Ladas wrote:
So to make sure I understand... if the school finds a piece of paper on a student with teachers names on it, they assume its a hit list and kick the child out of school... but if a student makes a threat against another student to the school administration, they make the targeted student stop whatever activity caused the threat...


You're assuming that the threat was heard by a teacher or someone of authority at the school. Some kids say that so and so is threatening kids there's not much they can do, it's hearsay.

So is a list of names.


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Cool video.

LOL @ the last bike having to push start it.


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