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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 9:28 pm 
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if you're a funeral protestor from the Westboro Baptist Church!

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MCALESTER, Okla. — Members of Topeka's Westboro Baptist Church found their tires slashed after a protest in eastern Oklahoma.

The group is know for picketing at the funerals of American servicemen with their anti-gay messages.

The Tulsa World reports after clashing with more than 1,000 counter protesters in McAlester, church members returned to find the front and rear wheels on the passenger side flat.

When church members tried to get the tires fixed, nearby businesses turned them away.


Eventually church members had to call for a tow truck to haul the van to a WalMart several miles away.


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Those local shops are at risk of loosing the crazy dollars! I disaprove of the vandalism, but approve of the local shops.

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I wonder if the vandal would describe himself as a christian.


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Farther wrote:
I wonder if the vandal would describe himself as a christian.


I wonder what the point of your insinuations are...

Wait... no I don't. :roll:

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Since we have no idea who the vandal is, I guess we'll never know.

I don't approve of the vandalism, but I ahve no sympathy for the Westboro Baptist Church members.

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For that matter, would the shop-owners who refused service describe themselves as christians.

I just wonder.


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Farther wrote:
For that matter, would the shop-owners who refused service describe themselves as christians.

I just wonder.


No you don't. You've clearly already decided.

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Farther wrote:
For that matter, would the shop-owners who refused service describe themselves as christians.

I just wonder.


You go right on wondering.

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I was criticized recently on this board for having a superficial understanding of christianity. So I watch how christians relate to each other, and to non-christians as well. The responses to a simple expression of curiosity is interesting.


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I don't approve of the vandalism, but I ahve no sympathy for the Westboro Baptist Church members.

That's a shame. I have all kinds of sympathy for the Westboro Baptist Church members. It goes right next to the pity.

They don't deserve to have their tires slashed. Because it's not ours to dish out judgement. Condemnation, sure. But vengeance is the Lord's, as it were.

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Farther wrote:
I was criticized recently on this board for having a superficial understanding of christianity. So I watch how christians relate to each other, and to non-christians as well. The responses to a simple expression of curiosity is interesting.


It's also interesting that you feel the need to "express curiosity". One wonders why, if you're just watching, you feel the need to call attention to that fact, or speculate about whether people we know nothing about consider themselves Christians.

So far, I've pointed out that we don't know anything about the tire slasher, and told you to go right on wondering (since it is highly unlikely the answer to your wondering will present itself). Rynar is the only other person who has responded to you.

Care to explain what's "interesting" about our responses?

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Kaffis Mark V wrote:
Diamondeye wrote:
I don't approve of the vandalism, but I ahve no sympathy for the Westboro Baptist Church members.

That's a shame. I have all kinds of sympathy for the Westboro Baptist Church members. It goes right next to the pity.

They don't deserve to have their tires slashed. Because it's not ours to dish out judgement. Condemnation, sure. But vengeance is the Lord's, as it were.


Yes, well, thankfully none of us here (as far as I know) did any of that. If someone else did.. well, I certainly wouldn't excuse them for vandalism but there is no reason they couldn't also be the instrument.

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It's interesting because this is not the only place I observe, but in roughly 8 posts I see more evidence of how I view christians, and I wonder if it is what god (if he exists at all) intended. It seems to me that christians are like pellets in an open bore shotgun- supposed to go in one direction, but as soon as you leave the barrel you're all over the place. A christian on this board has expressed delight (so I take the number of laughing faces in the original post) that another christian group was refused service in a time of need. And I don't see it here, only, you can see it lots of places.

I think, if I were god, I'd File 13 this bunch and start over.


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LMFAO.

The WBC is lucky all that happened is that their tires were slashed. They deserve so much worse.

And this thread delivers.

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Farther wrote:
It's interesting because this is not the only place I observe, but in roughly 8 posts I see more evidence of how I view christians, and I wonder if it is what god (if he exists at all) intended. It seems to me that christians are like pellets in an open bore shotgun- supposed to go in one direction, but as soon as you leave the barrel you're all over the place. A christian on this board has expressed delight (so I take the number of laughing faces in the original post) that another christian group was refused service in a time of need. And I don't see it here, only, you can see it lots of places.

I think, if I were god, I'd File 13 this bunch and start over.


With what evidence do you attribute the vandalism to Christians?

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Farther wrote:
The responses to a simple expression of curiosity is interesting.


This was not a "simple expression of curiosity." It was a rather obvious display of criticism and bigotry thinly veiled as curiosity, and speaks more about you than those you're trying to criticize.


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Farther wrote:
(so I take the number of laughing faces in the original post) that another christian group was refused service in a time of need.


Oh, and 1) Westboro needs to come up with a new name for it's cult, because there's really nothing Christian about it (as I've said in the past)...and

2) I'd hardly say they were in a "time of need", seeing as the family/church is worth millions of dollars.


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Rynar wrote:
Farther wrote:
It's interesting because this is not the only place I observe, but in roughly 8 posts I see more evidence of how I view christians, and I wonder if it is what god (if he exists at all) intended. It seems to me that christians are like pellets in an open bore shotgun- supposed to go in one direction, but as soon as you leave the barrel you're all over the place. A christian on this board has expressed delight (so I take the number of laughing faces in the original post) that another christian group was refused service in a time of need. And I don't see it here, only, you can see it lots of places.

I think, if I were god, I'd File 13 this bunch and start over.


With what evidence do you attribute the vandalism to Christians?


I don't attribute the vandalism to christians. i just wonder if the vandal(s) would so name themselves if asked. Maybe they are atheists. Or muslims. Or hindus. No way to know as it stands, but interesting that you ask.


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Farther wrote:
No way to know as it stands, but interesting that you ask.


Not nearly as interesting as the fact that you chose to single "Christians" out when there's "no way to know as it stands."


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Farther wrote:
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Farther wrote:
It's interesting because this is not the only place I observe, but in roughly 8 posts I see more evidence of how I view christians, and I wonder if it is what god (if he exists at all) intended. It seems to me that christians are like pellets in an open bore shotgun- supposed to go in one direction, but as soon as you leave the barrel you're all over the place. A christian on this board has expressed delight (so I take the number of laughing faces in the original post) that another christian group was refused service in a time of need. And I don't see it here, only, you can see it lots of places.

I think, if I were god, I'd File 13 this bunch and start over.


With what evidence do you attribute the vandalism to Christians?


I don't attribute the vandalism to christians. i just wonder if the vandal(s) would so name themselves if asked. Maybe they are atheists. Or muslims. Or hindus. No way to know as it stands, but interesting that you ask.


Then I can only assume you chose your origional language in an attempt to troll?

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Kaffis Mark V wrote:
Diamondeye wrote:
I don't approve of the vandalism, but I ahve no sympathy for the Westboro Baptist Church members.

That's a shame. I have all kinds of sympathy for the Westboro Baptist Church members. It goes right next to the pity.


I'm torn on this. On one hand, supporting their right to say terrible hurtful things is part of a free society and it's the price we pay. One I'm willing to pay as well. On the other, they are complete **** that deserve to get the holy living **** beat out of them.

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They don't deserve to have their tires slashed. Because it's not ours to dish out judgement. Condemnation, sure. But vengeance is the Lord's, as it were.


We have every right to judge. We judge people every day. The issue is that there needs to be some structure behind it and predictability or you get chaos.


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Aizle wrote:
Kaffis Mark V wrote:
Diamondeye wrote:
I don't approve of the vandalism, but I ahve no sympathy for the Westboro Baptist Church members.

That's a shame. I have all kinds of sympathy for the Westboro Baptist Church members. It goes right next to the pity.


I'm torn on this. On one hand, supporting their right to say terrible hurtful things is part of a free society and it's the price we pay. One I'm willing to pay as well. On the other, they are complete **** that deserve to get the holy living **** beat out of them.

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They don't deserve to have their tires slashed. Because it's not ours to dish out judgement. Condemnation, sure. But vengeance is the Lord's, as it were.


We have every right to judge. We judge people every day. The issue is that there needs to be some structure behind it and predictability or you get chaos.


You have the right to judge, but not the final authority.

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Farther wrote:
It's interesting because this is not the only place I observe, but in roughly 8 posts I see more evidence of how I view christians, and I wonder if it is what god (if he exists at all) intended. It seems to me that christians are like pellets in an open bore shotgun- supposed to go in one direction, but as soon as you leave the barrel you're all over the place. A christian on this board has expressed delight (so I take the number of laughing faces in the original post) that another christian group was refused service in a time of need. And I don't see it here, only, you can see it lots of places.

I think, if I were god, I'd File 13 this bunch and start over.


How's that air of smug moral superiority working out for you? Are you feeling good? :roll:

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I don't attribute the vandalism to christians. i just wonder if the vandal(s) would so name themselves if asked. Maybe they are atheists. Or muslims. Or hindus. No way to know as it stands, but interesting that you ask.

And yet you didn't wonder if they would describe themselves as any of those other things. I find that interesting. No wait, I don't. I find it condescending and affectatious.

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The Gospel according to St. Matthew, Chapter 7,

1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
6 ¶ Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

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I wouldn't slash their tires myself, and I wouldn't expect the vandals to get anything but the usual punishment if they were to be caught.

...but yeah I can't feel bad for them at all. Free speech doesn't mean I have to like them, and I think they're some of the most reprehensible people around.

They're also coming to my area soon to protest a funeral of a local soldier who got killed. Keep it classy, Westboro Baptist Church.


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