The Glade 4.0

I don't think you understand the word "proves".

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Taskiss:

Unfortunately, it proves nothing of the sort. Attack vectors through airports and air transportation still exist, as the recent freight bombs demonstrate. Likewise, there have been at least 3 attempts are suicide/homicide bombings through airports since 9/11 and these feeble attempts at "increased security."

There are all sorts of pressures working against terrorist groups and terrorism in the United States that have little to do with any measures our government took post-9/11. Indeed, those pressures existed, mostly, prior to the original attack in the first place. I would suggest, most humbly, that the primary reason most terrorist measures fall short of U.S. security relates to the increases in human intelligence among our three-letter agencies. We've gone a long way toward repairing the damage caused by misguided management and an over-reliance on technology during the late 80s and the 90s. Of course, these things don't exactly make the news.

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I'm still waiting for the definition of the word "is". Its been 10+ years.

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

Of course vectors still exist, and I agree that the greatest "bang for the buck" can and has occurred due to increased communication between TLA organizations.

That said, taking advantage of "lessons learned" opportunities is a proven risk mitigation technique. I'm expected to do a "root cause" and a "lessons learned" analysis after every security issue, as well as after every significant outage. It's not perfect, but it's more effective than not. Then I follow up with recommendations, and then I make modifications that force changes in the threat vector...I "close the gaps". Basic stuff. Suggesting that searches "go away" because they're an "unnecessary hassle" is foolish.

If I thought closing gaps were a waste of time I'd not hesitate to delegate the job to someone else, yet I'm the one doing it because I want it done and done right.

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What I find really amusing is that Napolitano has made it far harder for a US citizen to get on a plane in less time than she had to make it hard for an illegal to cross the southern border.

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Holy shitsnacks!

Well, it looks like at least at SFO part of the legalities will be resolved.

EPIC (among others is suing on 4th amendment grounds, so that's the second part of the legalities.



Yup, like 3 year old Caucasian bombers:



But hey, if it makes people feel safe that's important. Then again, I guess it's also important to make sure we teach our children as early as possible that the man from the Gov't is here to help, just do what he says.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

How many people do we have to strip search, pat down, or expose to radiation to catch a terrorist?

How many people do we have to strip search, pat down, or expose to radiation to harm those individuals?

I guarantee the number for the second is at least two orders of magnitude smaller than the first.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

You do know that you get a metric **** more radiation from the flight than the scanner right?

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So more needless radiation isn't a bad thing because you'll get more doing something you need to do?

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

Pretty much. Don't ***** about the risks being imposed on you by a new process if that risk existed before the change.

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Except the new process is both needless, wasteful, and ineffectual ...

At least the airplane gets me somewhere I either want or have to be.

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Well then argue it based on those points. Don't build a strawman into your argument with health concerns you didn't have before.

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Hopwin:

No one's built in a strawman about health concerns they didn't have before ...

It's a simple issue of risk/benefit analysis.

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That is a strawman. A strong headwind will result in more radiation.

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So others get to impose risks on individuals and the individual has no right to complain about those risks they are undertaking that they never agreed to?

Somehow I don't think that is the most unassailable position.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

The risk is a normal part of flying. As I said a strong headwind or turbulence will delay your flight in the air by more than 2 minutes.

You bypassing security imposes a risk on me since you might be carrying one of your firearms or a bomb onto the plane. My motivation to accept that risk?

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This is like claiming the government should be able to conduct radiologic scans of your car because simply driving the car has an order of magnitude greater chance of killing you.

Maybe you missed it Xeq, but they do.

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There's a difference between what I choose for myself, and what the Gov't mandates I do. I control my body, the Gov't does not.

That may or may not happen, and I choose to assume that risk. The Gov't mandated scanners will cause me to receive the radiation, it is not my choice to assume that risk; it is being forced upon me. I control my body, the Gov't does not. Unless you believe differently.


Powdered explosives in plastic bags like those carried by the underwear bomber are undetectable by Chertoff's scanners; the usual metal-detector will detect a gun. So, where's the benefit for the additional imposed risk?

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

Seems the risk from the radiation from the scan is offset against the risk of a terrorist incident without.

Also, are the trigger mechanisms invisible too?

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Sorry, there's no use continuing to address you on this topic, Taskiss.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

I guess so, 'cause with this argument, you being right can lead to deaths, and me being right can lead to stopping deaths. If I'm wrong, all that happens is, folks are inconvenienced.

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The Gov't could reduce your radiation exposure by allowing planes to cruise at 1 mile high instead of 5-7.

you're using a double Standard.
You accept gov't regulations that force planes to fly high exposing you to more radiation, but not ones that ensure someone else is not carrying contraband.