The Glade 4.0

I don't accept them.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

Then you can take a bus.

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Holy shitsnacks!

Thanks Janet, glad to see that your understanding of the Constitution is clear.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

There are no constitutional protections for flying.

There are, however, constitutional protections against unreasonable search and seizure; this seems to be a point the majority of people on these forums miss. Of course, I find it amusing how many people hemming and hawing over the PATRIOT Act are dogmatically defending a demonstrably unnecessary and ineffectual security protocol.

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Wait. You mean having your junk grabbed and getting felt up to get on a plane is unreasonable?

/shocked

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Holy shitsnacks!

It'll be a total surprise that you'll be searched?

I figured you knew that by now.

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In time, this too shall pass.

The Riov:
I'm guessing you're not familiar with Saenz v. Roe and Kent v. Dulles, nor the 4th amendment.

Could you provide evidence that the Gov't mandates an altitude of 5-7 miles? FAA Regs. Sec. 91.119 only mandates an altitude of 1000ft. above the highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of 2,000 feet of the aircraft.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

There is no constitutional right to ride a unicylce so therefore if you do that you have no rights...same logic.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

Personally, I look forward to it In fact, I think about boobies as much as I can beforehand so I can give the guy doing the patdown a knowing look and a wink when he hits the awkward boner

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Holy shitsnacks!

Since you're only subject to search and seizure if you undertake an unprotected act, its not considered unreasonable.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but arent most people against these searches (on this board) in FAVOR of border patrols and vehicle searches crossing into the US?

Changing gears to the Patriot act--some of the provisions allowed for searches of library records looking for 'evidence' that someone would be researching for future illegal activity--or could just be doing homework for school. As opposed to the TSA searches which are searching for the activity itself. (its illegal to carry a firearm/drugs/bomb on a plane)

That isn't the line I'm drawing here, but It is one argument.

Which unprotected act?

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

re: Saenz v. Roe & Kent v. Dulles ...Right to Travel != Right to fly. Just because you can move from place to place its still quite reasonable to impose some restrictions on methods of travel. No one is even saying they CANT fly, simply that if you chose to you are subject to certain restrictions. Just as if you chose to drive you must do so in a vehicle that fits saftey laws, doesn't polute excessivly, isn't too loud, etc and if you do it by boat the boat must be licensed.

I'm baffled by the argument your making here.

They still have to file an FAA Aproved flight plan along specific flight corridors. I'm not a pilot (though I'll check with a few of my friends who are along with my Air Traffic Controller friend (though she's in the UK she may know))

Some restrictions /= not allowed. I'm sorry you're willing to give up your rights so easily, I'm not.

I guess I'll just chalk the 5-7 miles bit up with the 9 times as much PAC contributions.


edit: So with your edit, you're saying:
That the "restrictions" under which you're allowed to fly are forfeiture of your Constitutional Rights, sorry that doesn't work either.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

They tell you you're gunna be searched at the airport. Seems kinda hard to claim "unreasonable search" in that case. The expectation of being searched should be 100%!

Unless, of course, you're redefining unreasonable to fit with your claim that it's unnecessary.

I'm thinking ''special needs beyond the normal need for law enforcement.'' covers the bases nicely.

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You don't have a right to fly. You have a choice. Take a train, take a submarine, whatever, the bottom line is that if you don't want to be exposed to it then find an alternate means to get where you want to go.

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So if I tell you I am going to search you, since you now expect it - it becomes reasonable?

Trying to understand this logic.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

Tell him/her it is a fear boner

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What does that have to do with your statement about "imposed risk" regarding bombs and guns?

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

When informed of the conditions of the contract for services and you accept them, claims that the condition is unreasonable seem illogical.

Or, don't accept them, which is a legitimate act on your part. Just don't expect to change the terms after you agree to them.

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In time, this too shall pass.

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"No man has ever touched me that way before. I... I think I love you. We should fly away to Vermont where its legal to marry!"

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Holy shitsnacks!

That's ... touching.

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In time, this too shall pass.

I didn't say the first quote you attributed to me. I don't know where that came from so I won't defend it.

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Start singing,

"Love lift us up where we belong
Where the eagles cry on a mountain high
Love lift us up where we belong
Far from the world we know, up where the clear winds blow"

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