The Glade 4.0

"Turn the lights down, the party just got wilder."
It is currently Sun Nov 24, 2024 1:41 am

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 21 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 4:06 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sat Oct 24, 2009 5:44 pm
Posts: 2315
http://www.cnn.com/2010/BUSINESS/11/16/anger.germany.boils.eu.ft/index.html?iref=obnetwork

Quote:
When George Papandreou, the Greek prime minister, this week aired frustration with Germany for pushing the eurozone to the brink of another debt crisis, he was saying publicly what other senior European officials and diplomats have been saying privately for weeks.

The drive by Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, to rewrite the European Union's treaties to set up a new bail-out system for future Greek-like collapses -- and her insistence that private investors bear more of the cost of such rescues -- was quietly resented when she bulldozed it through last month's summit of EU leaders.

But as bond markets have reacted and plummeted in the weeks since, that resentment has begun to boil over, with increasing accusations that Ms Merkel has put many of her fellow eurozone leaders in untenable positions in order to reinforce her own standing with German taxpayers.

"They're unprintable at times," said Daniel Gros, director of the Brussels-based Centre for European Policy Studies, of the angry remarks he has heard aimed towards Berlin.

German officials insist their campaign to get private bondholders to shoulder more bail-out costs is not just about domestic considerations. The government is more concerned that the current system -- which condemns well-managed states to bailing out badly-managed ones -- is unsustainable.

But even some of those well-managed states have expressed anger at German tactics. Countries such as the Netherlands, Finland and Austria, all normally allies of Germany in economic governance issues, have raised questions about Berlin's behaviour.

Anger first arose after Berlin cut a deal in mid-October with France over the new bail-out system, even as it was working closely on economic reform issues with several of its allies among the northern, fiscally prudent caucus.

Ever since the deal was struck, Germany has slowly lost support for its hardline stance on the new rescue mechanism and has been forced to back away from its original ideas about setting strict rules for private investors' role in a bail-out "ex-ante", or before a rescue even occurs.

"Everybody should be more [of] an owner of this process; it shouldn't just be Germany," said Mikolaj Dowgielewicz, Poland's EU minister.

Senior EU officials have become increasingly alarmed by the internecine sniping. Olli Rehn, the EU's top economic official, on Tuesday called for leaders to "restore the sense of unity" and to end the "somewhat divisive tone in the public debate".

Several European officials said, however, that Germany was unprepared for the market's angry reaction to the bail-out proposal and has since begun to backtrack. Two senior officials briefed on deliberations during the G20 summit in Seoul said a statement put out there by finance ministers of the EU's five largest economies, in which they reassured bondholders that no current owner of debt would be forced to pay for a sovereign bail-out, was in part a concession by Berlin that it had overplayed its hand.

Mr Gros noted the current dust-up is the second time Ms Merkel has pushed the eurozone into turmoil by digging in her heels on what, to her, is a principled stand against bailing out profligate member states. Earlier this year, Ms Merkel refused for months to offer concrete help for Greece until forced into action in May by an angry bond market. "That is the fundamental flaw in Merkel's approach," Mr Gros said. "What she somehow doesn't get is that markets are not like political systems. They anticipate things. And they anticipate vaguely, not rationally."

As the turmoil has gathered steam, German officials have insisted they are sympathetic with Ireland's plight, particularly since Dublin was the first "peripheral" EU economy to slash budgets to try to get its fiscal house in order. Berlin has repeatedly insisted that they are not putting pressure on Ireland to accept EU aid.

At the same time, Berlin has grown frustrated with Dublin's handling of the crisis, believing Irish officials have failed to inform other eurozone members how they want to move forward. But Berlin appears prepared to tough it out, despite the criticisms from the likes of Mr Papandreou and Jean-Claude Trichet, the European Central Bank president who loudly opposed the German move to reopen the treaties for fear that the markets would react exactly as they have.

German officials acknowledge that uncertainty over the future bail-out system is not ideal, but they insist they need more time to work out its details.


TL;DR: Europe is really mad that Germany is saying that the people who bought Irish/Greek government bonds should be the ones to bail them out, or eat the loss if they go bankrupt, rather than German (being the country with the massive trade surplus) taxpayers being the ones to foot the bill.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 4:09 pm 
Offline
Too lazy for a picture

Joined: Sat Sep 12, 2009 8:40 pm
Posts: 1352
I would absolutely love to see the global reaction to Germany going "**** this Euro ****, we are bringing back our own currency"

_________________
"Life isn't divided into genres. It's a horrifying, romantic, tragic, comical, science-fiction cowboy detective novel. You know, with a bit of pornography if you're lucky."
— Alan Moore


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 4:11 pm 
Offline
I got nothin.
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:15 pm
Posts: 11160
Location: Arafys, AKA El Müso Guapo!
Deutschmark, deutschmark uber alles ;)

_________________
Image
Holy shitsnacks!


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 4:24 pm 
Offline
Evil Bastard™
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:07 am
Posts: 7542
Location: Doomstadt, Latveria
Hmmmms ...

I think we need to put another "correct" annotation next to one of my predictions.

_________________
Corolinth wrote:
Facism is not a school of thought, it is a racial slur.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 4:27 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sat Oct 24, 2009 5:44 pm
Posts: 2315
Uncle Fester wrote:
I would absolutely love to see the global reaction to Germany going "**** this Euro ****, we are bringing back our own currency"


Germany has the same problem with the EU that China has with the US.....if they ditch the Euro, they lose their main export market.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 5:47 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:49 pm
Posts: 3455
Location: St. Louis, MO
That has nothing to do with it. The rest of Europe is still worried that the next words out of Germany are going to be something along the lines of "You know, we should own Poland".

_________________
Image


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:37 pm 
Offline
Oberon's Playground
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:11 am
Posts: 9449
Location: Your Dreams
Only this time, they could buy Poland.

_________________
Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me

█ ♣ █


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:48 pm 
Offline

Joined: Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:03 am
Posts: 4922
Europe is almost one country now anyways. Transferring Poland to Germany is kind of like transferring Maine to Massachusetts. It's still a big deal, but not a huge one.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re:
PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 7:44 am 
Offline
The Dancing Cat
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 04, 2009 2:21 pm
Posts: 9354
Location: Ohio
Talya wrote:
Only this time, they could buy Poland.

Oh God, imagine how terrible Polish-German food would be...

_________________
Quote:
In comic strips the person on the left always speaks first. - George Carlin


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Re:
PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:10 am 
Offline
Commence Primary Ignition
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:59 am
Posts: 15740
Location: Combat Information Center
Hopwin wrote:
Talya wrote:
Only this time, they could buy Poland.

Oh God, imagine how terrible Polish-German food would be...


Th food would be pretty good. The gas, on the other hand...

:shock:

_________________
"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:51 pm 
Offline
adorabalicious
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:54 am
Posts: 5094
Its always a good idea to exploit Germany economically.

_________________
"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:52 pm 
Offline
Noli me calcare
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:26 am
Posts: 4747
It's worked out so well in the past though.

_________________
"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

Image


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Re:
PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:14 pm 
Offline
Manchurian Mod
User avatar

Joined: Fri Sep 04, 2009 9:40 am
Posts: 5866
Hopwin wrote:
Oh God, imagine how terrible Polish-German food would be...
Polish sausage would get a lot better.

_________________
Buckle your pants or they might fall down.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 5:18 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 24, 2009 4:57 am
Posts: 849
And with that post, I realize I cannot read anything by Corolinth without it being colored raunchy.

Boy that is one image my brain did not need!


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 5:25 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:59 pm
Posts: 9412
Noggel wrote:
And with that post, I realize I cannot read anything by Corolinth without it being colored raunchy.

Boy that is one image my brain did not need!

I'm guessing Coro would say "Mission accomplished."

_________________
"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 6:01 pm 
Offline
I got nothin.
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:15 pm
Posts: 11160
Location: Arafys, AKA El Müso Guapo!
Noggel wrote:
And with that post, I realize I cannot read anything by Corolinth without it being colored raunchy.

Boy that is one image my brain did not need!


Which is funny in this instance, cause Coro's really not into sausage.

No perv, cause he's jewish.

_________________
Image
Holy shitsnacks!


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 6:08 pm 
Offline
Manchurian Mod
User avatar

Joined: Fri Sep 04, 2009 9:40 am
Posts: 5866
On that note, several people seem to think my avatar looks like a penis. I don't. So let me get this straight, other people see dicks everywhere they look, and I'm the raunchy one? How does that make sense again?

_________________
Buckle your pants or they might fall down.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 6:09 pm 
Offline
I got nothin.
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:15 pm
Posts: 11160
Location: Arafys, AKA El Müso Guapo!
Cause you're a dick :p

_________________
Image
Holy shitsnacks!


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re:
PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:01 pm 
Offline
Has a plan
User avatar

Joined: Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:51 pm
Posts: 1584
Corolinth wrote:
On that note, several people seem to think my avatar looks like a penis. I don't. So let me get this straight, other people see dicks everywhere they look, and I'm the raunchy one? How does that make sense again?



I'm talking morning, day, night, afternoon, dick, dick, dick, dick, dick, dick, dick, dick, dick.
How many dicks is that?
A lot.

_________________
A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re:
PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:28 pm 
Offline
Commence Primary Ignition
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:59 am
Posts: 15740
Location: Combat Information Center
Corolinth wrote:
On that note, several people seem to think my avatar looks like a penis. I don't. So let me get this straight, other people see dicks everywhere they look, and I'm the raunchy one? How does that make sense again?


**** you. That's how.

_________________
"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 5:21 am 
Offline
Peanut Gallery
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 26, 2009 9:40 pm
Posts: 2289
Location: Bat Country
Khross wrote:
Hmmmms ...

I think we need to put another "correct" annotation next to one of my predictions.

What was this one? I'm not keeping track. :geek:

_________________
"...the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?" -Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 21 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 263 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group