The Glade 4.0

Morality of libertarianism is like morality of all the rest of the "ism's"...

As long as it's convenient, they espouse their philosophy. The minute it goes against their personal issues, they're looking for loop-holes.

Case in point: Contracts and security at airports. You can contract away your rights, unless you disagree, then it's an infringement.

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In time, this too shall pass.

Except you ignore the fact that it's the Gov't demanding you relinquish your rights. I'm sorry you give them up so freely, but if only out of respect for those who have fought and died for my rights, I won't.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

The only people I've seen who claim that rights are more important than people's lives are trying to get other people to risk their lives and revolt against the government... from the safety of their armchairs. Or, in some cases, France. Which pretty much makes it the same thing.

I'm thinking you're not in France.

Oh, and you're ignoring the terms and conditions of the air carriers, by the way. You have to pass through security. That's their condition.

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In time, this too shall pass.

Then I guess you're not paying attention to what is really going on in the world.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

Yeah, people who claimed yesterday that the US had a thing against naked bodies are screaming at the top of their lungs that someone will see their naked body.

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In time, this too shall pass.

Nah, the editing of the Wiki page was done in jest. The rest was seriousish.

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Holy shitsnacks!

Every philosophy except for you own, amiright?


The question as to whether, and to what extent a person can contract away their rights is not one on which there's been a whole lot of agreement among those you might describe as libertarian. I can recall Khross, specifically has argued against that notion with respect to Elmo suggesting that a person should be able to contract themselves into slavery. So in first place, your characterization here is completely wrong.

Secondly, you have at best demonstrated that one airline makes the TSA procedure part of its terms of sale. What about the thousands of others, including charter companies, or private flights by people who own their own aircraft. Like, I don't know, say...Khross? All Scottish sheep are black, apparently.

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Sail forth! steer for the deep waters only!
Reckless, O soul, exploring, I with thee, and thou with me;
For we are bound where mariner has not yet dared to go,
And we will risk the ship, ourselves and all.

Oh, I'll readily admit that I'm slinging a wide brush. Generalizing seems to be the uniform of the day. I'll also readily admit to the same sins... but that's the difference, I guess. I'll admit it. Always have. Ask Tally - I'm of the opinion that DRM infringement is a crime, one I've committed... but it's still a crime and I'll not assume a hypocritical argument that it's not.

And yes, I did just demonstrate that one air carrier has included search requirements in it's terms and conditions. I'd be happy to include more, but it seems to me that SOME proof is better than the baseless assertions and/or anecdotes most use as evidence.

I wouldn't want some bored TSA agent shoving their hand up my butt crack any more than the next guy, but I'm not going to whine that it's my constitutional right to have a virgin *** crack.

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In time, this too shall pass.

I don't think this is something you should be proud of...

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Sail forth! steer for the deep waters only!
Reckless, O soul, exploring, I with thee, and thou with me;
For we are bound where mariner has not yet dared to go,
And we will risk the ship, ourselves and all.

I pretty much get to ignore TSA checkpoints, since I'm not stupid enough to fly into high traffic, commercial airports. I get where I want continentally faster and with less hassle than anyone else. And I'm seriously considering buying a **** Citation X just so I can go anywhere without that hassle either ...

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I'm tempted, if I get a pat-down, to start cricticizing the guy.

"Dude, what kind of pat-down is that? Who trained you? Come on, don't be shy, you've got to really get your hand up there to see if I'm hiding anything under my nutsack. Come on, don't you take any pride in your work?"

Maybe I should even demand to see a supervisor, complain I wasn't searched well enough, and ask them to do it over again until they get it right.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

As I read your post, DE, a slow grin spread across my face. Thank you for that.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

And then, just as they go for your junk say "Ahh yeah, that's it, keep searching... searching... Ok, I'm clean."

Then tip them a dollar.

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Holy shitsnacks!

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

I'm encouraging my wife to go this route.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

What's with the emoticon drinking windshield wiper fluid?

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

I think that's a spit-take.

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Oh, ok, I see it now. I was focusing too much ont he fact that it was blue.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

And you would be wrong, unless you categorize libertarians as "conservative," which could be easily argued as erroneous, per the earlier discussion of definition of terms in the thread.

Ask smarter questions and be less of a douche and you might actually learn things in life.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

The big problem with libertarianism is it's highly dogmatic, almost like a religion. Libertarianism is based on the opinion that government, with the possible exception of national defense, can not do anything right, that private industry handles literally everything better, and that the solution to any national problem is to cut government. If you show even a small number of counterexamples where the government actually did work out for the best the whole philosophy falls apart.

Making people uncomfortable is fun.

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"...the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?" -Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

I don't think I've ever seen anyone demonstrate a poorer understanding of libertarianism in my life.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

That sounds more like anarchy to me.

Would you be able to provide such examples? Specfically a comparison between government and private industry competing on equal footing, where government was more efficent, provided better service, or was more profitable?

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

Think harder. I do believe you have.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."