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Double Standard: Olbermann Given Pass on NFL Commissioner's 'Divisive Comments' Edict

After conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh was forced out of a consortium seeking to buy the National Football League's St. Louis Rams, there's evidence there is a double standard at play in the NFL.

Last week, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell said that people in "responsible positions" in his league are held to a "higher standard," reacting to the notion that Limbaugh could be a part-owner of an NFL franchise.

"I have said many times before that we are all held to a higher standard here," Goodell said. "I think divisive comments are not what the NFL is all about. I would not want to see those kind of comments from people who are in a responsible position within the NFL. No. Absolutely not."

That's a question Fox News and National Public Radio contributor Juan Williams had for the NFL on the Oct. 18 broadcast of "Fox News Sunday," as NewsBusters' Noel Sheppard pointed out.

"Let me just come go back to something else Mara [Liasson] said, ‘Oh, it's a business decision, and people don't make divisive statements,'" Williams said. "I watch MSNBC sometimes, I see their talk show hosts, they're mocking liberals, going on, this is Keith Olbermann ... Conservatives are terrible, they're a bunch of jerks, blah-de-blah. And then he's announcing the game. Nobody says, ‘Well, because he makes divisive statements he can't announce an NFL game.' I don't see that."

And that's something Williams is dead-spot on with, if you take a closer look at Olbermann's nightly MSNBC show.

'Countdown': The Place for Conservative Bashing

A closer look at Olbermann's nightly MSNBC show indicated he's not exactly Mahatma Gandhi when it comes to bridging the gap Goodell calls "divisive."

An analysis done by the Business & Media Institute indicated that since August 11, the beginning of NBC's coverage of the NFL, Olbermann has made conservative or right-leaning personalities the consistent target of his infamous "Worst Person in the World" segment.

The segment features three people of Olbermann's choosing to be the "Worse," "Worser" and "Worst Person in the World" set to Johann Sebastian Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D Minor. Since the beginning of football season Olbermann has named 91 right-leaning personalities or organizations as one of the three recipients, versus only two who could be perceived as left-leaning personalities or organizations. (Two others in the tally could not be defined as conservative or liberal.) That means Olbermann picks on conservatives 45 times more often than liberals - even worse than he used to be in 2006 when that ratio was only 8-1.

There have been only two times since Aug. 11 Olbermann has attacked his own – once for whoever started a rumor suggesting Glenn Beck may or may not have committed a crime, of course intended to disparage the Fox News host and the other – in defense of Limbaugh’s NFL bid.

"The bronze tonight to critics of Rush Limbaugh," Olbermann said on his Oct. 8 program. "You heard me - critics of Rush Limbaugh, ones who were bristling at the news he and hockey executive Dave Checketts might buy the NFL's St. Louis Rams, suggesting he should not be permitted to because he made racist comments about Eagles quarterback Donavan McNabb that resulted in Limbaugh's firing by ESPN in 2003."

But other than that, the segment has been nothing but conservative-bashing sessions meant to appeal to his rabid left-wing viewers. In fact, since the beginning of football season, no liberal or left-leaning personality or organization has been the winner of his "The Worst Person in World" segment.

The Worst of the "Worst Persons in the World"

Olbermann's critique of conservatives has hardly been light-hearted. The MSNBC host doesn't pull any punches, even if it means using hate-filled or misogynistic commentary.

For example, on his Oct. 13 program, Olbermann made some very disparaging remarks about conservative female blogger Michelle Malkin for her protest of what seems like the indoctrination of children in a school participating in a "song/rap" about President Barack Obama. The MSNBC host referred to Malkin as "a big mashed-up bag of meat with lipstick on it" (emphasis added):

"Runner up, Michelle Malkin. ... When this Obama song stupidity broke in New Jersey last month with elementary school kids there singing about the President, author Shariz Carney Nunez says she got an email from Malkin reading:

'I understand that you uploaded the video of schoolchildren reciting a Barack Obama song/rap at Bernice Young Elementary School in June. I have a few quick questions. Did you help write the song/rap and teach it to the children? Are you an. educator/guest lecturer at the school? Did you teach about your book, 'I Am Barack Obama,' at the school? Your bio says you are a schoolmate of Obama. How well acquainted are you with the President?'

That was at 6:47 in the morning. By nighttime, Malkin and the lunatic fringe had decided Carney-Nunez was responsible for the song and whichever plot their fevered little paranoid minds saw behind it. She received death threats and hate-filled voice mails all thanks to the total mindless, morally bankrupt, knee-jerk, fascistic hatred, without which Michelle Malkin would just be a big mashed-up bag of meat with lipstick on it. Ms. Carney-Nunez had nothing to do with the song. By the way, the fringe is out protesting at the school again scaring the kids. You know, exactly the way that psychotic pastor protests at military funerals."

And Olbermann's misogynistic tirades aren't relegated to just conservative media personalities, but also conservative female politicians. One of his favorite targets has been Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn. On his Oct. 6 show, Olbermann targeted Bachmann, suggesting there was some sort of "slasher movie" going on inside her head, since she had been an outspoken critic of a health care reform proposal Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi had been trying to force through Congress.

"But our, Congresswoman Michele Bachmann," Olbermann said. "Speaking about how Speaker Pelosi might handle Blue Dog Democrats over health care reform, Bachmann says, ‘she will either beat them to death, bludgeon them to death, or she'll try to buy them off.' Yes, don't let that out to lunch look behind the eyes fool you. There's some sort of slasher movie obsession going on inside that congresswoman. This is at least the second time she has applied violent imagery to the public discourse. Just last month, she had told her fellow Republicans that to stop health care reform, they needed to make ‘a covenant to slit their wrists.'"

Bachmann has been a regular recipient of Olbermann's "Worst Persons" tirades, having been awarded one of the three awards five times in the last two months.

And the inflammatory language isn't exclusive to just Olbermann's "Worst Persons" segment. On his Aug. 25 program, the MSNBC host called viewers of "Fixed News," his euphemism for Fox News, "tin foil hatters, conspiracy theorists, paranoids and racists."

"I hate to intrude with the facts, but ours is the highest rated cable news program viewers 35 and younger, and the highest rated cable news program for all viewers not on Fixed News," Olbermann said. "And since Fixed News has now migrated completely over to serving propaganda to tin foil hatters, conspiracy theorists, paranoids and racist, it's not a news organization, making this show the highest-rated cable news program, period."

In other words, Olbermann with one broad brush called millions of people "tin foil hatters, conspiracy theorists, paranoids and racists." Fox News highest-rated show "The O'Reilly Factor" averages over 3 million viewers a night, three times as many viewers as Olbermann averages on a nightly basis.

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The best thing about Fox News is the "Where are they now" series they have been doing about actors from 80's shows.

That, and the oh so sphexy response it causes from opponents.


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One of the most offensive atrocities that I've become increasingly aware of committed by MSNBC, Olbermann, DailyKOS which are sources basically used to exclusivity by some, is their ability to rape the English language to create a new word when it suits them.

"Birther", "Teabagger", "Death Camper", tthere is always some label that is derived from standing a certain way on a specific topic. Funny that.

More and more it seems that there's always a label. It's almost like its a necissity for those aforementioned sources, their pundits and those who follow it as gospel, evidenced by the way their followers (again, who source them almost to the point of exclusivity) parrot these new "words". A label, it seems, is absolutely necessary: you must reduce the individual down to a single topic and position, and even then, oversimply and completely polarize the position into positive or negative. Maybe it's because without these labels, one must deal with the individual rather than just the categorize people into broad, sweeping categories.

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What's that word Khross likes to use?

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Why, yes.. that would be it.

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Rafael wrote:
One of the most offensive atrocities that I've become increasingly aware of committed by MSNBC, Olbermann, DailyKOS which are sources basically used to exclusivity by some, is their ability to rape the English language to create a new word when it suits them.

"Birther", "Teabagger", "Death Camper", tthere is always some label that is derived from standing a certain way on a specific topic. Funny that.

More and more it seems that there's always a label. It's almost like its a necissity for those aforementioned sources, their pundits and those who follow it as gospel, evidenced by the way their followers (again, who source them almost to the point of exclusivity) parrot these new "words". A label, it seems, is absolutely necessary: you must reduce the individual down to a single topic and position, and even then, oversimply and completely polarize the position into positive or negative. Maybe it's because without these labels, one must deal with the individual rather than just the categorize people into broad, sweeping categories.



The great irony is that this labeling...this generalization of people into categories, it's the exact same "sin" as racism, sexism, and the like. It's a form of bigotry...the categorizing of people collectively rather than dealing with them on an individual basis. And yet who normally has charges of bigotry levelled against them by detractors?

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A quick update:

Since I've not been provided with the "easily searched quotes" attributed to Rush, I've sat back and watched the story unfold.

The quotes were proven bogus. It was a liberal lynchmob going after Limbaugh. Lead by Sheila Jackson Leigh. Again.

So in my opinion the only racism was against Limbaugh.

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Ok just making sure the doublestandard was still in place.

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My favorite is still "conservative-double-think". Proof if you lump enough poop together using hyphens you can mold an unstoppable literary WMD.

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Rush had quite a few choice words for Obama this weekend, but again, it seems his words are going to be twisted until more manufactured racism can be produced.

It's embarrasing for the Administration.

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I'd say it was embarrasing for Rush Limbaugh. If he wasn't such a racist, bigoted pig, it wouldn't be such an issue. But hey, criticizing the president is hip now, when it was treason a few years ago.

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Exactly what source do you have for calling Rush Limbaugh a racist, bigoted pig, besides ones that have been proven to be outright deceptive and dishonest?

And no, "It's obvious to anyone with eyes" is not a valid defense.

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I'd say it was embarrasing for Rush Limbaugh. If he wasn't such a racist, bigoted pig, it wouldn't be such an issue. But hey, criticizing the president is hip now, when it was treason a few years ago.


In this very thread it has been proven that what you were refrenceing was a manufactured smear campagin. I understand that you disagree with him, but that does not equate to racism.

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I'd say it was embarrasing for Rush Limbaugh. If he wasn't such a racist, bigoted pig, it wouldn't be such an issue. But hey, criticizing the president is hip now, when it was treason a few years ago.


Yeah, because so many people were charged with treason for disagreeing with the President. I seem to recall it being pretty damn hip to cricticize the President right rom the moment Al Gore was foiled in the "recount till I win" strategem.

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In this very thread it has been proven that what you were refrenceing was a manufactured smear campagin.


No, it wasn't.
Rush Limbaugh is, and always has been, a racist, bigoted pig. He's shown it time and time again. You may believe his **** doesn't stink on that level, but that doesn't make it so. Fox News or Rush Limbaugh claiming something is a manufactured smear campaign does not in fact make it true.

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Monte wrote:
Rush Limbaugh claiming something is a manufactured smear campaign does not in fact make it true.


The quotes attributed to him were made up.

That is a fact.

A not-made-up fact.

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No, it isn't.

Rush Limbaugh is a racist, bigoted pig. His history is *very*, very clear on that point. Some people refuse to see it, and that's fine for them, but that doesn't change it. Just because he claims someone can't produce a transcript or soundbite does not mean he didn't say what he said in every case.

He's a racist, bigoted pig. He is, and always has been. "Take the bone out of your nose". Just because he said that a long time ago doesn't mean it wasn't said.

His quotes about blacks rioting aren't just jokes. They are racist statements. His quips about affirmative action in regards to Obama are racist. Rush is a racist. Deal with it.

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Fox News or Rush Limbaugh claiming something [...] does not in fact make it true.


But MSNBC or DailyKOS claiming something, does make it true? Ok, I think I am starting to understand the rules, now.

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There's transcripts for nearly every single thing that comes out of his mouth, and somehow we are to believe he said these things when there's no transcript or evidenece whatsoever?


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Rush Limbaugh is a racist, bigoted pig. His history is *very*, very clear on that point. Some people refuse to see it, and that's fine for them, but that doesn't change it. Just because he claims someone can't produce a transcript or soundbite does not mean he didn't say what he said in every case.


1) Provide evidence
2) The burden of proof of the validity of that evidence does not rest on Limbaugh.


Therefore, without 1) evidence and 2) validity of evidence, your claim is unproven.

Therefore, you are spewing equally bigoted and hateful rhetoric as you've claimed he has said. Accusing people of socially detrimental behaviors is slander or libel, and you're committing it without both of the items listed above. That is at least equal to the damage you're claiming he's causing.

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Therefore, you are spewing equally bigoted and hateful rhetoric as you've claimed he has said. Accusing people of socially detrimental behaviors is slander or libel, and you're committing it without both of the items listed above. That is at least equal to the damage you're claiming he's causing.



I'm sorry, but pointing out racism is not bigoted. It's simply a statement of observable fact. Limbaugh is a racist. He has been a racist for a very, very long time. No one is making it up. Limbaugh simply lacks the integrity to take responsibility for his speech. I don't have to convince *you* or anyone else here that he's a racist. And saying he is a racist is not actually bigoted, even if people don't like hearing it.

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Then provide the observed fact.

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