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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:39 pm 
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This just indicates what a moronic dipshit Chomsky is. The fact that Arabs view Israel and the US as major threats in the region reveals that the US leadership hates democracy? Ok, excuse me while I laugh my *** off. That just indicates that Arabs hold the predjudices that have become traditional over the last 70 years and that their education and critical thinking skills are **** atrocious... especially since they have governments saying "Uh, could you please take out Iran for us.. but don't get us involved so that we can condemn it publicly and not piss off our uneducated masses that get all their information from Al Jazaeera or worse."

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http://newsfeed.time.com/2010/11/30/jul ... -the-year/

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No matter how much ire international governments display, the damage has been done. Sunday marked the arrival of another quarter-million dispatches via WikiLeaks.org. The online portal has planted Julian Assange as the mastermind behind government misconduct reaching the forefront of public consumption.

(See the 10 most shocking leaks ever.)

Assange's exploits have cemented him as a candidate for TIME's 2010 Person of the Year -- so much so that past TIME 100 honores went out on a limb to explain why he was their choice. "For better or for worse, Julian Assange has changed the accessibility to knowledge of the two wars that involve the U.S., within a matter of months," said Lauren Zalaznick, president of NBC Universal Women and Lifestyle Entertainment Networks. "He has also put journalistic integrity on a knife-blade edge: What is the responsibility of the journalist to make public or keep private?"


Looks like he has a good chance of being Time's person of the year. Cool!


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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/wikileaks;_y ... NhY2Nlc3M-

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Authorities believe Manning defeated Pentagon security systems simply by bringing a homemade music CD to work, erasing the music, and downloading troves of government secrets onto it.


Can you do this???? I thought you can't rewrite over CD's after they are burned.


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Authorities believe Manning defeated Pentagon security systems simply by bringing a homemade music CD to work, erasing the music, and downloading troves of government secrets onto it.


Can you do this???? I thought you can't rewrite over CD's after they are burned.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD-RW

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Interesting. I always thought that it would erase the disk but you could only write over untouched areas. Guess I was wrong.


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The fact that Arabs view Israel and the US as major threats in the region reveals that the US leadership hates democracy?

His position isn't quite as simple as it was distilled at the top of the article, though I think his point would be better expressed by saying the propagation of democracy around the world is not the primary concern of the US government, despite its claims, and is at best a secondary consideration to US concerns.

Of course, the US isn't a democracy anyway.


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The fact that Arabs view Israel and the US as major threats in the region reveals that the US leadership hates democracy?

His position isn't quite as simple as it was distilled at the top of the article, though I think his point would be better expressed by saying the propagation of democracy around the world is not the primary concern of the US government, despite its claims, and is at best a secondary consideration to US concerns.

Of course, the US isn't a democracy anyway.


It isn't, but everyone else uses "democracy" as shorthand for "system where voting by the people is involved in some way or other" and we've already beaten that semantic nitpick to death.

In any case, his complaint even clarified as you have only illustrates that the man is either anive to the point of being a total fool, or an unbridled hypocrite and propigator of double standards. Of course the primary concern of the U.S. is not propagating democracy. The primary goal of the U.S. is doing what's good for the U.S. In many cases that does, in fact, mean promoting "democracy" (or Republics or whatever), but it's a means, not an end.

Of course, every other country promotes its own interests as well. The difference in that the U.S. is a large country in both land area and population (3rd in the world in both categories) and hugely powerful economically despite current woes (by virtue of simply being large it has a huge influence ont he world economy regardlesss of what that influence currently is).

It's just a cute way of saying "If you're a large nation, it's perfectly ok to be critical of larger nations or take action against them for not being altruistic in their motives, but if you're a large nation, it's not ok to be critical of smaller nations or take action against them." It's not a complaint about U.S. behavior in and of itself, it's a complaint about the fact that the U.S. is doing it for no better reason than the fact that the U.S. is powerful and the fact that he thinks for some reason the U.S. should be perfect in living up to the political ideals expressed in what is essentially the propaganda reason for its actions (not propaganda in the Jospeh Gobbels sense, but propaganda in the sense that we're taking the good-sounding means of promoting "democracy" and making it sound like it's actually the goal in our rhetoric).

What's more is, you won't find him cricticizing other large and/or powerful nations for their behavior; some exception or reason why they're "not as bad" will always be put forth.

The man is the living embodiment of anti-U.S. hypocrisy; not because the cricticisms are necessarily factually inaccurate (some are, some aren't) but because U.S. behaviors are castigated at length often with total disregard for the circumstances they occured under, while every other nations' beahior except Israel gets excuses made for it.

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It's hard to imagine what good to the general population of the world comes from the leaks.

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It's hard to imagine what good to the general population of the world comes from the leaks.



Transparent government doesnt mean they get to trumpet the good stuff and hide the skeletons. Remember, this administration campagined on transparency, lauded the courage of whistleblowers, etc. This is the other edge of that sword.

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The U.S. would love this guy if he exposed only exposed other countries' secrets.


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It's hard to imagine what good to the general population of the world comes from the leaks.



Transparent government doesnt mean they get to trumpet the good stuff and hide the skeletons. Remember, this administration campagined on transparency, lauded the courage of whistleblowers, etc. This is the other edge of that sword.

I don't mean philosophically, I mean what actual good does it do? If it's just about telling secrets 'cause secrets are bad, then it's just a philosophical difference that doesn't provide material benefit.

At that point, he's pissing in folks wheaties just to piss in their wheaties.

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The U.S. would love this guy if he exposed only exposed other countries' secrets.


Sort of. Releasing diplomatic traffic is generally going to be frowned upon regardless by any smat country. Diplomatic traffic is the international scene's equivalent of attorney-client conversation.

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I just realized that everything about this guy makes me think "Bond Villain".

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Which makes him even awesomer.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 12:25 pm 
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Aaand Interpol is after him for rape

I'm sure we'll soon hear about how this is all orchestrated by the U.S. to shut him up. Remember, rape allegations are always perfectly true unless the alledged perpetrator is the darling of the anti-U.S. crowd, then she's a lying whore.

By the way, what's with the jacked-up formatting on this page?

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Julian Assange on TED Talks (I actually watched this before he became the global spotlight :P):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVGqE726 ... r_embedded


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I'm leaning more toward "drama queen".

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I'm leaning towards "epic troll".


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How convenient those allegations are. I wonder where the found a woman who needed some money?

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Have you got any actual evidence that the allegations are fabricated or the result of financial inducement? Not evidence that he is innocent, but evidence that she is purposefully making a false accusation.

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I don't know if the allegations have any merit or not. And I'm not really sure what I think about wikileaks, either. But I am curious -- are rape allegations really something that Interpol typically gets involved with? Maybe they do, but I can't help thinking that his political notoriety has something to do with that, at least.

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I wonder where the found a woman who needed some money?

You really don't have much experience with women, do you.

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Aaand Interpol is after him for rape

I'm sure we'll soon hear about how this is all orchestrated by the U.S. to shut him up. Remember, rape allegations are always perfectly true unless the alledged perpetrator is the darling of the anti-U.S. crowd, then she's a lying whore.

By the way, what's with the jacked-up formatting on this page?


My participation in the Interpol Manhunt:

INTERPOL

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I'm pretty sure the sexual assault allegations have been hanging out there for a while. I think it's just finally gotten to the level of interpol.


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Aizle wrote:
I'm pretty sure the sexual assault allegations have been hanging out there for a while. I think it's just finally gotten to the level of interpol.

Ditto. I remember seeing them after the first Wikileaks thing, they identified the source and upon investigation found he had these outstanding rape charges.

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