The Glade 4.0

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From what I understand, there's a poison pill file that wikileaks will release if they get shut down that contains un-redacted data.

Whoever thinks this group is a legitimate journalist org might want to think again.

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In time, this too shall pass.

Why is that Taskiss? They are informing the public. That is the position of journalists is it not? I don't recall anything that changed it to be "unless the government doesn't like what is being reported".

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

So you'd be okay if someone put a camera in your house, recorded every embarassing thing you ever did and sold it to wikileaks? But since it happened to the evil government its okay.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

Government officials are our "public servants", so everything they do wrong should be leaked.

No, anything they do that is illegal should become public knowledge. Shotgun-blast leaks of whatever classified documents one can lay hands on is not the same thing.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

There isn't too much black and white here, I think. Lots of shades in between though.

I haven't looked into all the stuff WikiLeaks has released. There's a lot of it, and whatever my informed opinion would be wouldn't end up being exactly useful.

But from what I have looked into just for my own curiosity's sake, I see things I don't think should be made public at all. It's not that anything potentially dangerous should be kept secret... for example, I think that the accidental killing of those Reuters journalists shouldn't be kept under wraps, even if it is said it will only incite more violence against the US. But unless I'm missing a part of the puzzle, releasing names of covert agents and informants and such... that incites violence, greatly assists those who are all about killing anyone supportive of the West, and brings with it no benefit to offset that. Yeah, the US and every other country in the world uses informants to get information. We know that.

So I suppose, without looking into it in great detail, I would say that WikiLeaks has gone too far, but their central premise is a worthwhile one.

If it makes politicians and business folk and whoever else think twice about doing something they wouldn't want the public to know about, this is a good thing. If it brings to focus things like that Reuters journalist killing... that's something the media grabs ahold of and makes a huge deal, certainly not portraying things in a balanced light... this raises accountability in the military which is a good thing, lowering the occurrence of similar events in the future. There are definitely benefits to it.

If nothing else, the relatively harmless cables (probably the vast majority of them) have proved amusing to see them brought into light.

Good. The only problem is i wish they could release it now.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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Someone should leak his current location, after all there is no need for secrets.

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“Strong people are harder to kill than weak people, and more useful in general”. - Mark Rippetoe

You're mistaking the difference between a citizen and a government.

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Holy shitsnacks!

Eh. I feel like "the government" is used by a lot of people the same way "the terrorists" or "the generic evil doers" is used by others. It's a way to assume a mantle of superiority, romanticized as brave and noble, but really he's just being a douche.

If the end result impacts ordinary citizens, which is the argument here, then I dont see the distinction.

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“Strong people are harder to kill than weak people, and more useful in general”. - Mark Rippetoe

Anything that cripples, weakens, or even just insults any established social power structures is ultimately for the best.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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The federal government and most state governments are inhibiting the growth of our country. It's good if their functions can be weakened or disabled.

You're smarter than that.

Especially around here.

I'm smarter than anyone who thinks stable, effective and strong established power structures are a good thing...

A little bit of anarchy is essential. Government (and everyone in it) needs to be constantly terrified of screwing up even the slightest bit. They need to know if they step out of line they can and will be replaced, easily and on a whim.

Also, people need to shoot a few politicians every once in a while. Keeps them honest. A stable and strnog government is always a tyranny. The individual is supreme, and anything that considers itself an "authority" over its citizens needs a bullet.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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If you are part of an organization that forcibly controls people's lives, then you should expect to take a lot of **** from them.

Man, where to start...

So stable and effective governments are a pre-requisite for a stable society. Take a look at Sudan for what the system you advocate gets you.

So while yes, there needs to be accountability and transparency, having everyone in government fear for their jobs and their lives every second of every day is idiocy of the highest order.

As I said, you're smarter than that, you just like getting your anarcist groove going.

Sudan isn't a developed country and their culture is more barbaric than ours.

I'm curious where you think that refined culture came from? The magic culture fairies?

"I hold it, that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical." ~ Thomas Jefferson

The United States is less free today, and its citizens less empowered, than any of the free male colonists were before the American Revolution. As individuals you are now only a step away from the power the slaves had during the founding of America. Your country was built on the concept that the only way free society is possible is that if government is weak and afraid of its people. ANYTHING else is nothing short of the insanity of authoritarianism. You've let it go too long without a major overhaul.


It came from bloody rebellion and violent opposition of the established power structures.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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Sure a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing.

However, that is now what you seem to be advocating. Your posts have been variations of the Queen of Hearts, "Off with their heads!"

Assange is basically a Bill Maher doppelganger who gets a hard on from divulging top secret l33t beta infoz on the government because he can.

We're somehow more free now because we know the US engages in espionage in the UN? Someone is surprised to hear that?

ETA: I'm all for the less government thing but this is irrelevant to that end.

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“Strong people are harder to kill than weak people, and more useful in general”. - Mark Rippetoe

Yes, Thomas. Now the people CAN be informed if they choose, and can even forment rebellion without blood. But based on the technology of the day, yes, you were right.

A little anarchy of the sort Julian Assange is creating can accomplish some of the good parts of rebellion without necessarilly resulting in the massive amounts of bloodshed. The information age allows war to be waged in different, less bloody ways.


(And yet some people wonder why privacy online is considered so sacred to other people...)

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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You have some kind of problem with Bill Maher?

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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