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After all, so long as nobody knows your name and address, you can't be arrested for, as an example, calling for politicians to be shot from time to time to keep the rest honest.


Which isn't illegal. Especially when one is simply quoting Thomas Jefferson. :p

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Also, people need to shoot a few politicians every once in a while. Keeps them honest. A stable and strnog government is always a tyranny. The individual is supreme, and anything that considers itself an "authority" over its citizens needs a bullet.



It's a paraphrase of what he said about the blood of tyrants. Elmarnieh quoted it above.

America's gotten soft. Washington and company would have overthrown and replaced your current government long ago. For all you hold the second ammendment sacred, you've forgotten why it exists.

Assange could manage to do more without firing a shot than the Confederates did in the whole Civil war. This Aussie that some government officials are calling a "terrorist" is behaving more like an American patriot should.

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December 7, 2010 - 10:47PM
The founder of WikiLeaks, Julian Assange, has been arrested by London police on behalf of Swedish authorities on suspicion of rape.

The Metropolitan Police Extradition Unit confirmed at 10.30am London time (2030 AEDT) that the 39-year-old Australian had been arrested “by appointment” on a European Arrest Warrant an hour earlier.

The Swedish warrant cites one count of unlawful coercion, two counts of sexual molestation and one count of rape – all allegedly committed in August this year.

The Australian-born human rights lawyer, Geoffrey Robertson QC, has cut short his annual summer holiday in Sydney to represent Mr Assange.

Mr Robertson and another specialist extradition lawyer from his Doughty Street Chambers are to act for Mr Assange and appear in a magistrate's court within 24 hours to argue for bail. A full hearing of the extradition case must be heard inside 28 days.

However, London legal sources warned that the type of European arrest warrant issued against Mr Assange over sexual assault claims in Sweden was extremely difficult to "avoid or challenge". He and his lawyers planned to fight the extradition with every available resource because of growing fears that this case would allow for preparation for an immediate follow-up and handover to US authorities in the wake of the release of hundreds of thousands of US diplomatic cables.

This website understands that Mr Robertson, whose Chambers are one of the few with specialist experience in extradition proceedings with Scandinavian nations, has been in contact with Mr Assange for some time about his defence and met with federal Attorney-General Robert McClelland last week about the case.

The surrender of Mr Assange is unfolding as his whistleblower's website continued to battle a seemingly concerted global effort to combat further information release led by the US Attorney-General, Eric Holder.

Mr Holder said he had authorised "significant" actions aimed at prosecuting the WikiLeaks founder, but refused to specify what these might be.

"The lives of people who work for the American people have been put at risk. The American people themselves have been put at risk by these actions that I believe are arrogant, misguided and ultimately not helpful in any way. We are doing everything that we can."

Mr Assange is reported by The Guardian to be seeking supporters to put up surety and bail and has said he expected to have to raise between £100,000 and £200,000 – and six people offering surety – to stave off attempts to hold him in remand.

Mr Assange has reportedly told friends that he was increasingly convinced the US was behind Swedish prosecutors' attempts to extradite him for questioning on the assault allegations.

He has previously said that the original allegations were the product of "personal issues" but that he now believed Sweden had behaved as "a cipher" for the US.

Mr Assange is wanted by Swedish detectives after two women claimed they were sexually assaulted by him when he visited the country last August. The Swedish supreme court upheld an order to detain him for questioning after he successfully appealed against two lower court rulings.

Mr Assange has also said that he declined to return to Sweden to face prosecutors because he feared he would not receive a fair trial and that prosecutors had requested that he be held in solitary confinement and incommunicado.

He has admitted that he was becoming exhausted by the battle to keep defending the allegations in Sweden while running the carefully managed release of the US cables at the same time.

A Swiss bank announced this week said that had shut down Mr Assange's account because he had allegedly given "false information", while the US-based commerce business PayPal has also frozen the WikiLeaks accounts, hindering the site’s ability to raise funds.

Assange has $61,000 (£38,000) in PayPal and $37,000 in the Swiss account, sources said.

American political rhetoric and attacks against WikiLeaks are escalating, with the former vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin exploiting global debate to describe Mr Assange as "an anti-American operative with blood on his hands".

According to the veteran Republican Mike Huckabee, "anything less than execution is too kind a penalty".

However in Australia today, Prime Minister Julia Gillard backed away from her comment of late last week that the actions of Mr Assange and WikiLeaks were "illegal".

When asked what, under Australian law, was illegal about his actions, she was unable to nominate anything: "The foundation stone of it is an illegal act," Ms Gillard said.

The "foundation stone" was the initial theft of the cables - allegedly committed by a US army private - and not the publication by WikiLeaks.

"It would not happen, information would not be on WikiLeaks, if there had not been an illegal act undertaken," Ms Gillard said.

The opposition's legal affairs spokesman, Senator George Brandis, later called Ms Gillard's use of language "clumsy".

"As far as I can see he [Mr Assange] hasn't broken any Australian law, nor does it appear he has broken any American laws," he told Sky News.

Mr Assange has written an opinion piece in The Australian newspaper for Wednesday in which he refers to a young Rupert Murdoch in 1958, then owner and editor of Adelaide's The News, who said: "In the race between secrecy and truth, it seems inevitable that truth will always win".

The piece, which the paper released a snipet of before Wednesday's publication, argues the need for freedom of speech and refers to the "dark days" of corrupt government in Queensland (where Mr Assange was raised) as well as the Fitzgerald inquiry and much about his upbringing in a country town, "where people spoke their minds bluntly".

Mr Assange reportedly claims Australian politicians' chant of "You'll risk lives! You'll endanger troops!" with the US makes no sense as they argue in the same breath that "there is nothing of importance in what WikiLeaks publishes. It can't be both", he says.

Scores of photographers and journalists are waiting in zero degree cold as reports emerged that Mr Assange would appear in the Magistrate's Court in London's Horseferry road by 2pm London time (0100 AEDT).

A statement on Twitter from WikiLeaks tweeted that "today's actions against our editor-in-chief Julian Assange won't affect our operations: we will release more cables tonight as normal".

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Government has never been on my front yard -- and yet strangely, nobody has ever been shot there.


Is your mail delivered?


Not to my door.

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Was your home built without permits?


Wasn't my home at the time.

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Is your water metered?
Your power, is it enterprise or government?


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You have never had any reason to have the police or the fire department at your door? (If no, consider yourself lucky, they almost never show up with good news.)


No. If they come, they'll likely be invited. Regardless, they're municipal, not the fed.

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Do you have a road in front of your front yard? Alongside your house?

Not on my property, however.

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Do you pay property taxes? Has your house been appraised and has that appraisal become part of a government record?


In order: Yes (although before we took possession of the house). At some point, yes. And once again, those are municipal, we've been discussing the fed all along, if you look back through the thread. We're discussing the disruption of federal power, we've mentioned rebellion/revolution, etc. Don't paint all levels of government with the same brush, because they are not allies, in league with each other. In fact, they are ultimately rivals engaged in a struggle for power.

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Are any of these government functions?


See above.

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Yeah, Mookhow, the whole "rape" charge thing is a joke, based on what i've read and watched about it. The swedish police dismissed it as groundless and without merit. They reinstated it not because of new evidence, but because the government is pissed off at Assange for his good works.

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But he was just acting like our founders!

That would be the founder "Ogg, the horny Neanderthal"

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Guilty until proven innocent, I guess?

Interesting.

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The "rape" charge is evidently because it's illegal in sweden to break a condom during sex?

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Just think of how many tax dollars they're spending in the judicial process to get a man extradited for not wearing a condom.


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Slow down there, Talya. When did I come across as supporting the government, here?

I'm just pointing out that your "little bit of anarchy" is a bunch of anonymous internet posturing, and that you'd say absolutely none of this crap in front of a cop.

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But he was just acting like our founders!

That would be the founder "Ogg, the horny Neanderthal"



Apparently you are not familiar with Mr Franklin.

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I knew Ben went to France, but I thought he had better manners...

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I knew Ben went to France, but I thought he had better manners...


You really aren't much of an historian, are you? Perhaps you should do more reading and less talking/typing, yes?

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Ben was the publicly horniest of our founding fathers. He had over a score of recognized illegitimate children. He was renowned in France for the number of his affairs, and at his age.

He was also one of if not the most respected man in France during his stay there as Minister from the United States. That was about his willingness to speak freely about freedom, tyranny, and the need for men to be free. Some attribute the start of the French Revolution to the seeds he planted during his tenure there.

A story about the resignation of Benjamin Franklin as minister to France in 1777. His successor was Thomas Jefferson. When the French minister greeted him he said “Mr. Jefferson, have you come to replace Dr. Franklin?” Jefferson quickly shot back, “No one can ever replace Benjamin Franklin. I am only succeeding him.”

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I knew Ben went to France, but I thought he had better manners...


You really aren't much of an historian, are you? Perhaps you should do more reading and less talking/typing, yes?

I thought you were leaving ... again.

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Then your reading comprehension is as bad as your history. Actually... perhaps it explains your history...

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Then your reading comprehension is as bad as your history. Actually... perhaps it explains your history...

Oh, I'm sorry... this isn't where you play the drama queen ... again ... and go away mad?

Let me see... ***** about moderation? Check
Get a couple of warnings? Check
Start being even more of a dick than usual? Check

By my calculations, you're next move is to whine and leave for a time, then come back like a bad penny.

But, I could be wrong. You might just get stuck on that last check point.

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Classy, Taskiss. And not at all obvious.

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Ya know what, it isn't worth my time.

God bless you, Taskiss.

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Ya know what, it isn't worth my time.

God bless you, Taskiss.

What made it worth your time starting **** with me in this thread in the first place?

You come in here, starting ****, and expect someone to admire you?

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He was attempting to impress you with his awesomeness.


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Taskiss:

It's was worth my time because you have no idea what the **** you're talking about nine times out of ten, and this wasn't that odd one time.

It became not worth my time because you're idiocy is clearly willfull here, and you're in one of your shitty little moods where you take out your spoon, and try to stir the ****; and quite honestly, I don't have any time for you when you act like that.

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Rynar,

Taskiss has admitted in the past arguing a contrary position just to piss people off. He was playing devil's advocate (he didn't even give a **** about the issue), and wasn't even paying attention to the logic on the other side.

It helps to frame any replies to him with that in mind.

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Taskiss has admitted in the past arguing a contrary position just to piss people off. He was playing devil's advocate (he didn't even give a **** about the issue), and wasn't even paying attention to the logic on the other side.

It helps to frame any replies to him with that in mind.


That's precisely what I'm getting at in my last response.

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Rynar,

Taskiss has admitted in the past arguing a contrary position just to piss people off. He was playing devil's advocate (he didn't even give a **** about the issue), and wasn't even paying attention to the logic on the other side.

It helps to frame any replies to him with that in mind.

I think comparing Julian Assange to a founding father is idiocy. He's not fighting for his country's independence, he's pissing in folks wheaties.

Frame that.

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