The Glade 4.0

I saw this interesting video. What should the penalty be for women who get abortions?

Normal penalties for murder in the state.

Wow, not hard.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

You're an idiot.

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Holy shitsnacks!

What's the video? I don't think there should be penalties on the women, the doctors who perform them however should face up to life in prison.

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And yet with three words youve proven yourself one as well.

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

Great rebuttal.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

You know; I am so god damned tired of the people who think abortion should be illegal. Not your bodies, **** off.

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If the woman is under 35 years old, the penalty should be to kill her. She's really just a clump of cells at that point.

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“Strong people are harder to kill than weak people, and more useful in general”. - Mark Rippetoe

Concise, clear, and 100% fact.

Yes, it was a great rebuttal.

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Holy shitsnacks!

Not her body either. Of course having this been pointed out at least a dozen times on this forum still doesn't stop people from making arguments that they know aren't rational or true.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

Concise, clear, illogical and without any facts at all. The willful killing of a non-consenting innocent human is murder (don't quite the legal definition, the term existed before law).

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

What was the dynamic pre Roe vs Wade regarding enforcement and punishment?

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

Question: To those who think abortion should be illegal.

So no Mus, it was an off topic idiotic trollish response. Next time, just read the title and dont click.

Michael- so I assume you think no penalty should be levied?

Personally, until we have a definate answer to when a that clump of cells becomes "human" we need to err on the side of caution, and in the best interest of that human.

Cripes, so many hairbrained laws affect us daily under this same concept, why are folks so resistant to this topic? Your life has been regulated in so many ways "for the children" and "for the health of the expecxtant mother".

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

People looked the other way, mostly. Sometimes the woman would die due to botched procedures and then the law would look for the guy that performed the procedure and arrest them. Then the papers would be full of folks complaining that the woman didn't have to die if only abortion were legal.

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In time, this too shall pass.

Not so much. Elmo's a militant idiot. Abortion isn't murder.

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Holy shitsnacks!

We just need to figure out how to transplant embryos.

Getting back to the OT. I'd be much happier with the harshest of legal penalties going to supplier rather than user.

I'm not comfortable putting the mothers on the line of murder ones. Certainly there is some middle ground to the subject.

Gentlemen gentlemen I think we can put aside the reason for our decisions on the issue and discuss the rather limited topic at hand.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

So one day you do something, it's perfectly legal. You can tell everyone and you won't even be investigated for it. A year later, after some legislation passes and you do the same thing (have an abortion), you should be tried, imprisoned, and later executed?

While I'm not advocating execution, I'd say that's pretty much the way every illegal act and related law have worked in the history of man. The only difference is this one is happening in our lifetimes. (theoretically anyway)

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

Hannibal and others who oppose abortion onthe grounds of 'erring on the side of caution':

It is extremely easy to prove "reasonable doubt" that a fetus is not a person, therefore no crime occurred. Ultimately, erring on the side of caution when it comes to abortion legalizes it.

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I have an idea. Rather than trying to have the same pointless debate about "abortion good" vs "abortion bad," let's please stay on task just this once.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

Reasonable doubt is 51% sure. Beyond a shadow of a doubt is 99.9% (i believe). Reasonable doubt isnt what would be used.

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

Hey Han, is your answer to the OT murder one? Why or why not?

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

I think abortion is wrong but I need a clear line drawn between human w/ rights vs fetus w/ no rights. Then we need to reconcile that right vs the mothers right. It will never happen because then the mother is on the hook for anything she does that could harm the unbirthed baby.

So if that was determined, and it became illegal, the penalty should scale with the circumstances similar to how we define the idea of murder.

I think the current situation with abortion is a case of lawmakers taking the path of least resistance.

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

Putting words in my mouth Hannibal? Where have I commented in this thread before this?

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

Stating something over and over does not make it true. Stating that it's true because it's been stated over and over again does not make it true. Questioning the rationality of an opposing <opinion> because it runs counter to something that's been declared true over and over again is folly.

You do not get to squash a debate simply because you are a broken record. A broken record may be repeating truth, it may be repeating falsehoods, but either way it's **** annoying.


As with anything, the punishment should fit the crime. The severity of the crime of abortion would be dependent on the state, I would think. I cannot imagine it would be much, as there are emotional and self-preservation factors at work, which tend to reduce sentences in other crimes.