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There is no such percentage defined in law, and the standard is pretty much the same in the entire "free world."

http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/q016.htm
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictiona ... able+Doubt
http://www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/ ... Doubt.aspx

"Even if you believe the accused is probably guilty or likely guilty, that is not sufficient. In those circumstances you must give the benefit of the doubt to the accused and acquit because the Crown has failed to satisfy you of the guilt of the accused beyond a reasonable doubt."

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I really think the, "Don't have sex with pro-lifers" campaign is the best solution.

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Sadly, they'll just interbreed (or is that inbreed?) amongst themselves. You won't be able to phase them out that way.

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We'd likely have to have a constitutional amendment to do that at this point or see Roe overturned. So it's not completely the law makers fault. I don't see that happening for another generation or so.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

You think it's going to become easier to push what most people perceive as an extremist fundamentalist agenda on the populace in future generations?

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...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
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Last I heard, 'most people' in the US consider themselves pro-life.

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Damn inconvenient facts.

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Wow...is America actually regressing back into the dark ages? Hell, with Obamacare i fully expect to see bloodletting and leeches being used in US healthcare soon.

Maybe it's a good thing you're sliding into economic irrelevance.

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...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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http://www.gallup.com/poll/118399/more- ... -time.aspx

I'm of the opinion that the conclusion should be "Taly's wrong", since that's all that's actually been determined.

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I think the takeaway here is that Elmo wants the death penalty for something ~50% of the US population doesn't even consider a crime.

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Holy shitsnacks!

Yes, that's the last I heard. You got anything newer?

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Someone should post some info from Gallup or something. Surely they've done a poll on this?

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Looks like it's time to start using the ignore feature.

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Hey, WTF man. I'm sorry I said anything about leeches.

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That's a really depressing graph.

It's already happening! I suppose that rules out my statement being prognostication...

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But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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I wonder what the statistics are on people who believe having additional penalties (on top of the penalty for committing the root crime) for "hate crimes" is discriminatory? I honestly have no clue, but would hazard a gut-level guess at maybe 33% who would actively support removing the additional penalties in the spirit of "equal under the law."

As for actually talking about the original topic, I'm not sure. I'd say 1st degree murder for the person performing the procedure wouldn't be outrageous, with perhaps a manslaughter charge for the ex-mother being an acceptable acknowledgement of the emotional clouding that's bound to surround the issue? I don't know, and I don't think we are, as a society, to the point of discussing it yet. There's still too much disagreement over where a bright line can and should be drawn, at the very least.

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Just an aside, I know, but figured I'd chime in on this point.

Beyond a shadow of a doubt isn't actually a legal standard. In the US, there are basically three standards of proof for final rulings/verdicts (and various others for interim decisions): (i) preponderance of the evidence; (ii) clear and convincing evidence; and (iii) beyond a reasonable doubt. The lowest standard is preponderance, which applies in most civil suits and means "more likely than not" (i.e., 51% sure). The highest standard is reasonable doubt, which applies to all criminal convictions and means no issue remains that would cause a reasonable person to doubt the conclusion. Clear and convincing is an intermediate standard that applies in some civil suits, some administrative law matters, and some criminal matters other than actual conviction and means "significantly more likely than not." For the reasonable doubt and clear and convincing standards, there's no way to really quantify them like you can with preponderance.

If abortion were made illegal, this is how I imagine these standards would come into play: (i) family members might sue the woman or the doctor in civil court for wrongful death or something like that, in which case preponderance would probably be the standard; (ii) the state licensing board might sanction the doctor or take his license, in which case, clear and convincing would probably be the standard (though it might be reasonable doubt); and (iii) the state or the feds might charge the woman or the doctor with a crime, in which case, reasonable doubt would definitely be the standard.

I wonder what caused the big shift between the 2008 and 2009 polls. Skewed poll? Something to do with Obama getting elected? Rhetoric about "government funded abortion" during the health care debate?

Looks pretty good to me. Maybe killing babies isn't such a good thing?

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