The Glade 4.0

Rhetoric about "government funded abortion" during the health care debate?

Killing babies isn't good.

Aborting fetuses, not so bad.

I dig you man, but it saddens me you(and millions others) think like that.

The way I see it, unless it can survive outside of the womb without heroic medical measures... yeah.

Late term abortions are still wrong though.

Stating something over and over does not make it true. Stating that it's true because it's been stated over and over again does not make it true. Questioning the rationality of an opposing <opinion> because it runs counter to something that's been declared true over and over again is folly.

You do not get to squash a debate simply because you are a broken record. A broken record may be repeating truth, it may be repeating falsehoods, but either way it's **** annoying.


As with anything, the punishment should fit the crime. The severity of the crime of abortion would be dependent on the state, I would think. I cannot imagine it would be much, as there are emotional and self-preservation factors at work, which tend to reduce sentences in other crimes.

I know things have to be made PAINFULLY simple for you when you don't want to go up against cold hard facts like biology so if you need it reduced again just let me know and I'll be happy to hold your hand through that rough forest of logic once more.

I'd actually be less opposed to (although still not in favor of) more restrictions on abortion if the following were true:

(1) mandatory sex ed in public educaction included exhaustive information on safe sex and family planning, and (2) emergency contraceptives were available without a prescription over the counter EVERYWHERE (like, the corner store included.)

All things being equal, it should take some colossal idiocy to have an unwanted pregnancy. All things, however, are not equal.

Psst: Metaphysical fundamentalist tripe is not logic or biology.

Something that sucks nutrients from you internally, shares a lot of your DNA, and has no independence is arguably part of your body.

So, a tapeworm is part of your body?

Psst: Metaphysical fundamentalist tripe is not logic or biology.

Elmarnieh, how far do you want to take this?

Since you don't think it's her body that's the issue, don't you think the logical next step would be to enforce dietary and other health restrictions on pregnant women? After all, you believe they are obligated to care for this developing life you think they invited into their womb.

No but A=A and since we are discussing biology and since biology is biology you can STFU.

No more than such exist for parents of born children now in that they cannot place the child in undo harm or neglect. That isn't what we are talking about though if you want to get schooled in another thread by all means open one.

The fetus is not her body. That is not up for debate.

Its not her body so she doesn't get to end the life because its not hers to control.

I know things have to be made PAINFULLY simple for you when you don't want to go up against cold hard facts like biology so if you need it reduced again just let me know and I'll be happy to hold your hand through that rough forest of logic once more.

None of your beliefs re: abortion have any foundation in biology or logic.

the fact that a fetus is a distinct organism from the mother is not a belief - it is a fact.

You are only massively discrediting yourself and revealing pre-existing bias by continuing your ridiculous statements.

Horrible example. By that logic, then it should be perfectly legal for my nephew and his wife to kill their 3 month old daughter.

You're entitled to your opinion about my beliefs however the fact that a fetus is a distinct organism from the mother is not a belief - it is a fact.

Unless, of course, you double stamp it with no erasies.