The Glade 4.0

Kirra:

The title of the thread is when should you tell your about Santa, not when should other people tell their kids about Santa.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

Rynar: I am aware of the title of the thread. Thank you for pointing it out to me though. I don't have children yet, so I am just trying to understand what Lex's reason is for being upset that other people allow their children to believe in Santa. His argument doesn't make sense to me, is all.

I wasn't aware that the title of the thread meant it to be directed only at Parents.

I also don't think I was saying when parents should tell their children, my point is, that it's up to them. If Taly doesn't celibrate Christmas and chooses to tell her kids that Santa is fiction, that's her business. Nitefox chooses to celebrate Christmas and his kids believe in Santa, that also is his business. But when it's said that this belief makes a child uneducated, I am just stating, I disagree, and I was trying to understand Why Lex thinks it does.

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Because he's trolling.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

I'd say there's no hard and fast rule on exactly what age a kid should be told the truth about Santa. There's far too many factors involved, so it's more a matter of feel. If the kid's really enjoying the whole shebang, let them believe...but if they express doubt, maybe its time. But you still have to initiate them into The Great Santa Conspiracy so that they don't ruin the fun of others who still believe.

Lex, you don't seem to value imagination as much as, say, an artist. That's fine, free country and all that...but frankly, the ideal world you seem to want sounds to me like something dreamed up at a meeting of IBM engineers with nannystate tendencies. To each his own, but I'll take a world with a little more color and wonder to it, personally.

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My daughters believe in Santa, and fire-breathing dragons, wicked step-mothers, prince charming, and fairies...when they're playing and suspending disbelief. The only fantasy in that list that I will disabuse them of is prince charming, as for the rest, they can continue to believe and disbelieve as they choose. I'll be damned if the real world, and everything that is in it is going to be thrust upon them when they have no need of it, much less take away those things that inspire wonder and laughter just because they aren't. Neither of them has difficulty discerning fantasy from reality, and they don't even need meds to do it.



Then "an educated person" would be wrong. It's a terrible thing when "an educated person" is less informed than a 2.5 year old, yet chooses to expound upon things of which they're ignorant. My youngest daughter knows that a sleigh can hold far more than "a dozen presents", she's been in one that could hold that many people.

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My bad, Rynar, I took the bait. You are correct.

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Lexy, two questions.

1. Do you consider yourself uneducated?

2. How were you brought up, with regards to Santa's existence?

I consider myself quite intelligent, and for that matter, many of the Gladers to be also. I was brought up believing in Santa, and I would venture that there may be more than a few of our educated Glade brethren who also believed in the same.

I don't see how believing in Santa somehow will dumbify (this really should be a word) a child. I remember quite fondly coming to the realization that Santa wasn't real by recognizing the handwriting on the letter I left to Santa with cookies and milk as my mother's. I enjoyed knowing the truth and having my 3 year younger brother still "knowing" that there was a Santa.

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This must be Thursday. I could never get the hang of Thursdays.

Pssst.. Foamy, don't take the bait.....

Yeah, trust me, I know. Thanks for the warning, though.

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This must be Thursday. I could never get the hang of Thursdays.

I'm constantly reminded of the stark contrast between the quality of Locz's posts and Lex's posts.

I don't know ... I'm actually finding this whole exchange pretty funny.

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Reckless, O soul, exploring, I with thee, and thou with me;
For we are bound where mariner has not yet dared to go,
And we will risk the ship, ourselves and all.

We'll see how funny it all is when you people get big lumps of coal in your stockings this year.

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Show your work. If this is statistically true, you should be able to show where you got this info.

Hippie!

You really want proof that blatantly lying to your children can cause trust issues, Arathain?

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But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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I think it was your statement that the trust issues 'started' with the Santa Claus thing.

I can honestly say I've never heard of that happening. I'd be curious where you are getting that from (I suspect your vivid imagination, but feel free to prove me wrong).

What's the first lie most kids remember being told? Especially from generally honest parents.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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I am really, really surprised that this thread hasn't heard from Elmo.

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Sail forth! steer for the deep waters only!
Reckless, O soul, exploring, I with thee, and thou with me;
For we are bound where mariner has not yet dared to go,
And we will risk the ship, ourselves and all.

Elmo used to rage about this topic, back in the day.

"This is going to hurt me more than it does you".

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In time, this too shall pass.

if you tell me the truth now..you won't get in trouble

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"It's for your own good".

"Your face will stay like that".

"........, you'll go blind".

So, I need glasses. So what?

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In time, this too shall pass.

I have been so stressed and uptight lately... I would have diamonds in no time.

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Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

only if you've been shoving the coal in your.... uhm. nm.....dont want to know...

Or if you've been eating activated charcoal to purge your body of reactive compounds to get rid of your chloracne...

/Zodiac

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