The Glade 4.0

Government on government official violence leads to less government violence on citizens.

And yes I have no problem with the death penalty in theory.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

Elmo:

I'm not sure that a perpetual state of violent coup d'etat is my preferred choice of government.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

Mine either, however it won't take long before either the corrupt are too scared to act and run for office and there won't be need for such activities for a time.

I see nothing else that they are afraid of enough that will halt their activities.

I'm open to options if you have any that may work (voting has proven not to).

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

You're going soft, Rynar.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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Taly:

I've gone a big rubbery one. It's not that I don't understand Elmo's point. I do, and I'm very sympathetic. It's just that his remedy is going to leave us with a whole new slate of problems, and I'm not sure they aren't worse than the ones we would be replacing.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

I agree, but I'm fairly sure 5 years ago you'd be right there with Elmo (other than trying to execute each other for various disagreements in the extent of "rights.")

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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Five years ago I was five years younger.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

Perhaps then there is hope for Elmo too.

I occasionally try and think back to try and remember if I was that angry and black/white in my thinking when I was that young. I think I was, but that was a long time ago and my memory is fuzzy and biased.

I don't think there should be violence against judges. It's barbaric.

Rynar I encourage you to not retreat from the truth of reality - it doesn't change it.

I am still waiting for an alternative action that has not proven to not work.

This is open to anyone.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

I don't think murder works either, especially since hardly anyone supports it. Changing these sorts of things requires a large cultural shift, and currently too many people care about locking up pedophiles to not care about free speech.

They aren't elected officials. Firing would work as well as firing squad, terminating employment as well as termination of life.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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Hooray! Reality and practicality for the win!

It's been pretty well established that your system doesn't work.

This is how much people discuss pedos throughout the years. People care so much about the pedophile problem that they don't care about other rights.

http://ngrams.googlelabs.com/graph?cont ... moothing=3

Some are and some aren't, in the U.S.

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Sail forth! steer for the deep waters only!
Reckless, O soul, exploring, I with thee, and thou with me;
For we are bound where mariner has not yet dared to go,
And we will risk the ship, ourselves and all.

How many times in the history of the world has violent uprising resulted in a government that respects the rights and liberties of the people. Our fathers got it right, or as right as anyone ever has. I dont think we get so blessed a second time. We end up like the French Revolution with a new set of despots.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

I don't think the American Revolution changed individual liberties much. It was mostly about who gets to tax who. In fact, the United Kingdom criminalized slavery before we did.

And, in fact, England was already "democratic" with an elected parliament and a mostly powerless monarch at the time of the revolution. (of course, the colonies weren't getting any vote, hence part of the reason for the revolution.) America wasn't free because of some remarkable vision of its founding fathers. It was modeled very similarly on what it rebelled against.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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Exactly. I bet the actual amount of "individual freedom" that a person in the U.S. had was about equivalent to what you'd have in the U.K. Unless of course you're slave in the U.S. So in total I rate the U.K. as more progressive.

When's the last time an army squad knocked on your door and demanded you cook them dinner?

Or you were arrested for what you write on this forum?

Or a police officer stormed into your house without a warrant found something illegal or arrested you for it.

Or you were forced to testify against yourself in court?
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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

What makes you think all these things happened in the U.K.? Canada doesn't follow our Constitution, do you think life was/is so bad there?

History tells us they did in the colonies or at least it did when I was in school.


If the AWi didn't improve civil liberties and they were just as despotic as the brits then the answer to my question is likely never

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

We occupy homes in Iraq sometimes. It's not a big deal in times of war or civil unrest.

I am just saying that the American War most likely did not improve individual liberties on an empirical basis.

And dont we have another thread about how the Brits are censoring Internet porn.

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