The Glade 4.0

He would develop the skills, or I suppose he could choose to die. It's his choice really.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

True, but the idea behind sending him there is that it would be a long and drawn out death that we could rationalize to his inability to learn how to survive. If exile was being put up at a 4 star hotel in Hungary overlooking the danube then call me Mr Domestic Terrorist!

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

What we really need to do is start executing people for advocating the execution of people who fail to adhere to their personal political philosophies.

If everyone else can have their wanktard fantasy world I want mine too.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Sounds rather facist to me, in addition to being a strawman (even though it isn't me you're strawmaning). I mean, advocating the execution of those who fail to live up to their governmental duties and thereby violate their oaths of office is exactly the same thing as advocating the execution of private citizens who simply speak freely, right?

Sure it is, in your world.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

Pretty much, since elected officials are also citizens. I don't see any real differnence, especially since weve been subjected to this endless masturbation over executing officials for years, and it's really nothing more than the immature fantasies of peopel with no real responsibility in the world, certianly not for making things actually work.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Right, right... because people who have taken no law binding oath to do a thing that effects 100% of the entire population in the most direct manner, as law tends to do, have exactly the same culpability and responsibility as those who have.

Flawless logic.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

In what, the three days before dehydration kills him? Even if he did somehow magically learn survival skills, he's still going to get killed by the endemic diseases he has no immunity to that the locals do.

Nah, we'll drop him off near a water source and make sure he's had his shots.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

Yes it sounds like it to me too, Om.

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I'll show you how deep the rabbit hole goes.

Sort of like your logic that taking such oath subjects said people to outrageously harsh punishments for no other reason than violating the ideologies of certain people who think that simply acting like bombastic idiots gives them a monopoly on how things should be handled? Or the total disregard of the fact that these people are themselves citizens and having taken a public position does not entitle the rest of society to burden them with any arbitrarily high amount of responsibility or culpability, especially when society itself does not agree on those same issues?

Yes, my logic is pretty much flawless. If it is ok to harshly punish public officials for a farce of "breaking their oath" simply for doing something counter to an ideology, it is equally ok to shoot people for having such horrendous, indefensible ideologies in the first place, no matter how much effort those people put into trying to monopolize certain words in order to make their absurdities sound good.

Of course, if we're going to accept that certain ideologies do not get to dictate how society should run to everyone else, and cannot use the threat of absurdly harsh punishments to enforce it, then there's equally no good reason to shoot people just for holding moronic ideologies now, is there?

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

So you disapprove with the way they are handling the incarceration of PFC Bradley Manning, then, Diamondeye?

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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Not at all. Manning is not being held to an arbitrarily high standard for violating anyone's ideology.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

The thing is, anyone who supports the death penalty at all, for any reason, advocates killing citizens for arbitrary ideological reasons.

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Sail forth! steer for the deep waters only!
Reckless, O soul, exploring, I with thee, and thou with me;
For we are bound where mariner has not yet dared to go,
And we will risk the ship, ourselves and all.

That's an unavoidable problem. However, we determine what the death penalty will be inflicted for by a consensus of society through the legislature, and we limit that through the courts by their testing of the criteria for it against other ideology that society has also agreed upon. We are not killing people out of hand simply for violating the ideology of one small segment of society that gets its jollies wanking off to the idea of shooting people that offend it.

You could argue "but what if society as a whole agreed on that?" but in that case, only an utter fool would take any public position, and society would rapidly collapse into anarchy at which point real people (not fantasy people who value abstract principle for its own sake no matter the consequences) would simply replace this absurd system with a workable one.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Your logic is flawless if you enjoy pretzels. Here, have some mustard with that.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

Actually, a whole lot of Manning's position is arbitrary.

He's seen no due process (military or otherwise.) He's been held in solitary confinement for over 6 months straight. He's being deprived of sleep and excersize -- those last two are a problem even if he did commit the offense in question. But as he has not yet been court martialled, he is officially still innocent of the crimes in question.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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Concerning the OP topic:

I don't think that Catch 22 situations like this will ever be resolved unless we reboot the legal system.