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I just saw this too, it's been on cable pretty much non stop apparently. I found it to be long, predictable and fairly idiotic. Last thing I really liked from him was True Lies.

To be fair, that was only two films ago.

James Cameron's filmography is:

Piranha 2: The Spawning (which he doesn't claim)
The Terminator (Fantastic)
Aliens (Utterly brilliance)
The Abyss (I didn't really care for it. YES I'VE SEEN THE DIRECTOR'S CUT AND IT'S STILL BORING.)
Terminator 2: Judgment Day (Absolutely fantastic, even better than the first)
True Lies (Absolutely fantastic, along with T2 and Aliens, one of the best action films of all time)
Titanic (Still haven't seen it)
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Given that Piranha 2: The Spawning and The Abyss were the only 2 films of his that weren't block busters, he's had an amazingly successful career.


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Yeah it was from an SNL where Bill Paxton was the host. They did a skit of Titanic with the "alternate ending." I remember watching it over 10 years ago. It was great.

It was the real Jim Cameron too. :D



Don't think I posted it once I found it. But here you go.

http://videos.titanictribute.net/play.php?vid=177

Again, the tail end of this skit is why James Cameron is awesome.

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Dash wrote:
I just saw this too, it's been on cable pretty much non stop apparently. I found it to be long, predictable and fairly idiotic. Last thing I really liked from him was True Lies.

Hmmm... I agree on both points.

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I just saw this too, it's been on cable pretty much non stop apparently. I found it to be long, predictable and fairly idiotic. Last thing I really liked from him was True Lies.

Hmmm... I agree on both points.


Not surprising, but I agree as well. The only thing Avatar had going for it was Sigourney Weaver(who I've had a crush on since the 80s).

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How in the **** have you not seen Titanic, 'skee?


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I...don't actually know. I have it, or at least the initial non-anamorphic DVD that my mom bought me for Christmas the year it came out. I think initially it was probably just a teenager's typical "this is popular so I WILL HATE IT WITHOUT EVEN VIEWING IT" attitude (I was 15 when it came out), and even though I matured past that, I just never really circled back around to it.


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Dont' feel bad Mr. Sky (I'm sure you don't). I've never seen Titantic either. I don't feel like I've missed anything either....


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Titanic is *****'. Unfortunately, Leonardo DiCaprio grates on me so much that I had some trouble enjoying it.

And, the big thing about Avatar, for most reviewers, seemed to be that Cameron "created this whole world out of his own imagination!" Like thousands of D&D geeks haven't done that. :D We just don't have the drive, ambition, and money that he does. Maybe ruthlessness, too.

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And armies of CGI artists, Aethien, don't forget that.

Farskee, GOOMH again.

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And, the big thing about Avatar, for most reviewers, seemed to be that Cameron "created this whole world out of his own imagination!" Like thousands of D&D geeks haven't done that. :D We just don't have the drive, ambition, and money that he does. Maybe ruthlessness, too.


But the creator of the Battle for Terra did have all of those things when he told the same frikking story Cameron did.

When I watched this movie... all I kept thinking was "yeah, it is pretty... but it is a story I have heard so many times before. Fern Gully, The Battle for Terra, etc."

It is all the same crap over and over again... man is the real enemy to the creatures of xxx because of their greed and avarice. Man has some sort of techonological advantage, but species xxxx owns his *** in the end.

Hell swap the race names from Human to Shadow.. and from Na'vi to Human; or from Human to Reaper and Na'vi to Human. New story someone plzthx.

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Someone described it to me as Fern Gully for 1 billion dollars.

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And, the big thing about Avatar, for most reviewers, seemed to be that Cameron "created this whole world out of his own imagination!" Like thousands of D&D geeks haven't done that. :D We just don't have the drive, ambition, and money that he does. Maybe ruthlessness, too.


My imagination would be pretty amazing too if you gave me professional special effects and animations teams and a $300 million budget.


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The Abyss (I didn't really care for it. YES I'VE SEEN THE DIRECTOR'S CUT AND IT'S STILL BORING.)

I'm glad that I can finally connect with you on something.

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My imagination would be pretty amazing too if you gave me professional special effects and animations teams and a $300 million budget.

Yeah right. You'd likely use the money to plague the internet to the point nobody uses it anymore except your hoard of spam-bots that would end up doing nothing but trying to sell pr0n to each other.

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Yeah right. You'd likely use the money to plague the internet to the point nobody uses it anymore except your hoard of spam-bots that would end up doing nothing but trying to sell pr0n to each other.


Perhaps. I'd also buy a few hundred GPUs and network them together into a super-computer for solving captchas really quickly.


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I don't understand the hate for Avatar. I also don't understand the adoration for Avatar. I thought it was a fun movie that didn't break any new ground or force any serious thinking, but had an otherwise believable plot (and importantly -- without any major holes), solid acting, good pacing and a capable script, mixed with spectacular visuals. It just worked. Why it worked so incredibly well with drawing in throngs of movie-goers, I'm not sure.

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The place where Avatar really broke new ground was in the level and quality of the CGI and the 3D filming.


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Aizle wrote:
The place where Avatar really broke new ground was in the level and quality of the CGI and the 3D filming.


The 3D was detrimental to it, visually. The movie is better in 2D than in 3D. Cameron did not make strong use of having 3D capabilities. (Few movies do, but he really could have done so here.)

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Talya wrote:
I don't understand the hate for Avatar. I also don't understand the adoration for Avatar. I thought it was a fun movie that didn't break any new ground or force any serious thinking, but had an otherwise believable plot (and importantly -- without any major holes), solid acting, good pacing and a capable script, mixed with spectacular visuals. It just worked. Why it worked so incredibly well with drawing in throngs of movie-goers, I'm not sure.

3 hours was excessive for the story it told. For that matter it felt like a 3 hour trip into the happy-wonderland of cultural guilt.

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3 hours was excessive for the story it told. For that matter it felt like a 3 hour trip into the happy-wonderland of cultural guilt.


It never felt long to me -- the pacing was good, the movie flowed well and never seemed to drag. Three hours was over very quickly.

The cultural guilt part is warranted. All human powerstructures are easily classified as villainous in movies because in real-life, they're no better. In this case, it was anti-corporate, but you can easily make any movie anti-government, anti-union, or anti-religion and while someone somewhere would be up in arms, it would still be a believable story. Humans make very good antagonists -- our entire history is primarily composed of villainy with precious few shining moments of altruism.

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3 hours was excessive for the story it told. For that matter it felt like a 3 hour trip into the happy-wonderland of cultural guilt.


It never felt long to me -- the pacing was good, the movie flowed well and never seemed to drag. Three hours was over very quickly.

The cultural guilt part is warranted. All human powerstructures are easily classified as villainous in movies because in real-life, they're no better. In this case, it was anti-corporate, but you can easily make any movie anti-government, anti-union, or anti-religion and while someone somewhere would be up in arms, it would still be a believable story. Humans make very good villains -- our entire history is primarily composed of villainy with precious few shining moments of altruism.


Human power structures make your lifespan 80 years instead of 40, and provide you with lots of other convenient things that you can't find in the wilderness on your own. They usually are quite evil in other ways though.


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Human power structures make your lifespan 80 years instead of 40, and provide you with lots of other convenient things that you can't find in the wilderness on your own. They usually are quite evil in other ways though.


Obviously. The point isn't whether or not they should exist, but that in real life, human organizational power structures tend to show all of the qualities that for thousands of years authors have ascribed to the antagonists in their stories, making them easy/obvious villains.

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Talya wrote:
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Human power structures make your lifespan 80 years instead of 40, and provide you with lots of other convenient things that you can't find in the wilderness on your own. They usually are quite evil in other ways though.


Obviously. The point isn't whether or not they should exist, but that in real life, human organizational power structures tend to show all of the qualities that for thousands of years authors have ascribed to the antagonists in their stories, making them easy/obvious villains.


In the real world, you are either lonely in the wilderness foraging for food and doomed... or you are part of a power structure or social dynamics that is evil to some extent. The utopian alien culture of avatar has never existed. So really there is no way to escape the villains.


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