The Glade 4.0

Holy ****, bravo. I just finally got around to reading this thread. It's not that I dislike The Glade, just that the majority of my thread browsing has been done from Forum Runner and after using my brother's Focus, I can't got back to Apple's shitty displays. I just can't. I'd rather get **** in the *** by Peter North. And considering I just jerked off 3 times while reading this thread where numerous male posters replied, I suppose I could be considered part-bent on both accounts. Or whatever it is being discussed.

I actually find merit in what Arathain is saying. I just think some readers are getting his words twisted because his lack of qualifiers. Could he not mean straight to be "completely heterosexual"? While "bent" is simple an amalgamation of partial heterosexuality or homosexuality. There is nothing inherently wrong with this perspective other than it places some sort heterosexuality (complete heterosexuality) on some sort of transcendent pedestal. Gay people -- or if it makes you happy, people with stronger or majority homosexual preferences -- don't like that because it places then into some "freakshow" crowd. But guess what? You kinda are. There are far less of you. Get used to it. People don't have to like you and they are even entitled to hate purely on the fact they your gayness even if you can provide some sort of psychosexual evidence of why they are also share your gayness. Your arguments may be sound but they are not "right". And chances are you have a shot personality anyway and there are even more justifiable reasons to hate on you, so why not just take the hate based on completely irrational fear instead?

Farther, you're an idiot.

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

Yes, I know.

I'll come back and re-visit this in a couple of years, when the manpower reports show what change (if any) occurs in military recruitment and retention. Personally, I think we're going to see reduced numbers of volunteers. But we'll see and I could certainly be wrong.

too bad you will not stop visiting until then.

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

Your idiocy is independent of the outcome of this issue.

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

Wow, seriously? Hostile, much?

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

not even a little. He has been an antagonistic prick all along. if he is not even going to try not to be, then he can bugger off.

And really? After some of the conversations that have occurred on this board (in one iteration or another) and THIS is what makes you ask if I am hostile? After all this time... you should know me better than that. Hostile is my default setting.

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

*cuddlumptions*

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

Can't help about the shape I'm in, I can't sing, I ain't pretty and my legs are thin.

Don't ask me what I think of you, I might not give the answer that you want me to.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

Right, because he's the only egotistical, opinionated, and passive aggressive ******* on the board? Look in a mirror, we've got dozens of 'em. Just because they've been around longer and you know what they're gonna be an argumentative ******* about before you read their posts doesn't mean you have to single out the new guy.

I picked you out because your post was a prime example of people trying their damnedest to make sure we chase off any and all new blood, which I don't think is healthy for the long-term community. I have no idea where Farther came from, but that doesn't mean I should tell him to leave.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

+1

This thread has reached whole new levels of Salvador Dali retardation.

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Actually, Lex's response missed the point so badly that I didn't bother to respond to it.

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Technically, you have just responded to it, or at least acknowledged its existence.

Even as a metaphor his response totally missed the point.

It did? I'm just going to put this out there for the rest of the Glade's consideration, mostly because I'm entirely convinced you're either a troll or simply not possessed of the intelligence God gave to a Kardashian ass-crack ...

Can we stop responding to the new idiot?

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It'd be a breath of fresh air if you folks would, considering the level of reading comprehension that you posters have displayed in this thread. Your responses tell me that you don't understand my point, and I'd even argue some of you do not understand the terms "recruitment" or "retention".

Considering this marks my second post in this thread, please kindly refrain from "lumping" me in with whatever projected homogeneity you've decided represents the rest of the Glade. It would be terribly disingenuous to make assumptions of anyone's reading comprehension or intellect when you begin with so egregious an assumption about you're adversary.

That said, since you keep bring up the canards of recruitment and retention: do you have any substantive evidence either way to validate your point? What happens if both increase in during whatever arbitrary timeframe you want to choose post-enactment of the DADT repeal?

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Not really, but then nobody really knows what's going to happen. Let me try, one last time, to make my point for you. How many heterosexual men do you find, normally, in a gay bar? Not many. Heterosexual men vote with their feet. They may not mind that there is a gay bar in the neighborhood, but they're normally not going to be a patron of one. My thinking is that the same sort of mentality is going to effect recruitment and retention. I think heterosexual men will consider that as a factor, and some will opt to not join up. Others who are there now will opt to leave rather than remain. They will vote with their feet. Then I will admit I was wrong and breath a sigh of relief. I don't care, other than I still want our military to be able to kill people and destroy property when the country needs them to.

I've been unemployed since I graduated college because I couldn't find an employer with a suitable DADT policy. The possibility of gays in my workplace has kept me looking. Wait, just kidding.

Actually, quite a large number of people know some of the things that are going to happen. You should probably not try and reduce the situation so blindly. Some servicemen and women will leave the U.S. Military at the earliest possible time. The U.S. Military will gain new servicemen and women from multiple demographics as a result of the legislation. The net change, if any, in active duty personal as a result of this change cannot, however, be directly monitored without compromising all sorts of security and privacy issues for both the U.S. Military and individual service people. So, it is quite dishonest to say no one knows "what" will happen, because a great number of those "whats" are already a given.This, like the bulk of your statements in this thread, is a hasty generalization. Any number of "gay bars", even here in the South, have relatively large heterosexual male and female client bases, as they generally cater to a different type of music and dance preference than your typical "straight" bar. Of course, you'll have to be more specific when you say "gay bar", so that I might understand which particular fetish and variant of male homosexuality you're attempting to use as a stereotype. If I had to guess, I'd say it was a Leather Bar, but they tend to a attract a wide variety of heterosexuals themselves. Bars and People don't like to fit into the neat little categories you need for this argument to work logically.Actually, since Heterosexual Men isn't a useful classification when it comes to economic behavior, it's a terrible predictor when it comes to employment behavior as well. The socioeconomic implications of your argument fall apart when you consider exactly how different the various peoples in the United States happen to be.Some people will vote with their feet, but they're the same people who tended to vote with their feet when they knew a squadmate liked the sausage and they couldn't out them in the first place. As for the rest of the people in the military, it's not so easy to homogenize or reduce that group into some sort of gender-typed construct based on sexual orientation. It simply doesn't work: the entity itself is too complex.Even if retention and recruitment increase, you may not be wrong, anymore than you would be right, about the impact of repealing Don't Ask, Don't Tell on our military. To use my favorite tautology:

Complex systems are complex. Contrary outcomes can result from a wide variety of issues and circumstances. That said, you'll see retention and recruitment continue to increase over the next decade.

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I forgot everything you said immediately prior to this. Damn my ADD.

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You may be right, Khross. And you may be wrong. Time will tell.

Farther:

I may be right or I may be wrong about what? You're not exactly making any substantive statements here. I'm going to guess that you seem to think I'll be wrong about recruitment and retention: I'll simply point out that we're in an ongoing recession with record unemployment and an increasing population base.

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For some reason this reminds me of the **** talk that NPCs in Everquest give you when they aggro but then seconds later they die.