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Just wondering. Seems rather medieval for such a supposedly progressive president.

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Psychologists for Social Responsibility is deeply concerned about the pretrial detention conditions of alleged Wikileaks source PFC Bradley Manning, including solitary confinement for over five months, a forced lack of exercise, and possible sleep deprivation. It has been reported by his attorney and a visitor that Manning's mental health is suffering greatly from his treatment.

As a response, PsySR has issued the Open Letter below to Secretary of Defense Robert Gates expressing our concerns about this misuse of solitary confinement and alerting him to the psychological literature on its harmful effects. It has been sent to the Secretary and PsySR is now releasing it publicly, The text of the letter and a PDF version are also available on PsySR's website at www.psysr.org/gates-manning-letter.

We would welcome your assistance in helping obtain the widest visibility for this letter by distributing it in any venues available to you. Thanks.

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PsySR Open Letter on PFC Bradley Manning's Solitary Confinement

January 3, 2011

The Honorable Robert M. Gates
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100 Defense Pentagon
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Dear Mr. Secretary:

Psychologists for Social Responsibility (PsySR) is deeply concerned about the conditions under which PFC Bradley Manning is being held at the Quantico Marine Corps Base in Virginia. It has been reported and verified by his attorney that PFC Manning has been held in solitary confinement since July of 2010. He reportedly is held in his cell for approximately 23 hours a day, a cell approximately six feet wide and twelve feet in length, with a bed, a drinking fountain, and a toilet. For no discernable reason other than punishment, he is forbidden from exercising in his cell and is provided minimal access to exercise outside his cell. Further, despite having virtually nothing to do, he is forbidden to sleep during the day and often has his sleep at night disrupted.

As an organization of psychologists and other mental health professionals, PsySR is aware that solitary confinement can have severely deleterious effects on the psychological well-being of those subjected to it. We therefore call for a revision in the conditions of PFC Manning's incarceration while he awaits trial, based on the exhaustive documentation and research that have determined that solitary confinement is, at the very least, a form of cruel, unusual and inhumane treatment in violation of U.S. law.

In the majority opinion of the U.S. Supreme Court case Medley, Petitioner, 134 U.S. 1690 (1890), U.S. Supreme Court Justice Samuel Freeman Miller wrote, "A considerable number of the prisoners fell, after even a short confinement, into a semi-fatuous condition, from which it was next to impossible to arouse them, and others became violently insane; others still, committed suicide; while those who stood the ordeal better were not generally reformed, and in most cases did not recover sufficient mental activity to be of any subsequent service to the community." Scientific investigations since 1890 have confirmed in troubling detail the irreversible physiological changes in brain functioning from the trauma of solitary confinement.

As expressed by Dr. Craig Haney, a psychologist and expert in the assessment of institutional environments, "Empirical research on solitary and supermax-like confinement has consistently and unequivocally documented the harmful consequences of living in these kinds of environments . . . Evidence of these negative psychological effects comes from personal accounts, descriptive studies, and systematic research on solitary and supermax-type confinement, conducted over a period of four decades, by researchers from several different continents who had diverse backgrounds and a wide range of professional expertise... [D]irect studies of prison isolation have documented an extremely broad range of harmful psychological reactions. These effects include increases in the following potentially damaging symptoms and problematic behaviors: negative attitudes and affect, insomnia, anxiety, panic, withdrawal, hypersensitivity, ruminations, cognitive dysfunction, hallucinations, loss of control, irritability, aggression, and rage, paranoia, hopelessness, lethargy, depression, a sense of impending emotional breakdown, self-mutilation, and suicidal ideation and behavior" (pp. 130-131, references removed).

Dr. Haney concludes, "To summarize, there is not a single published study of solitary or supermax-like confinement in which non-voluntary confinement lasting for longer than 10 days where participants were unable to terminate their isolation at will that failed to result in negative psychological effects" (p. 132).

We are aware that prison spokesperson First Lieutenant Brian Villiard has told AFP that Manning is considered a "maximum confinement detainee," as he is considered a national security risk. But no such putative risk can justify keeping someone not convicted of a crime in conditions likely to cause serious harm to his mental health. Further, history suggests that solitary confinement, rather than being a rational response to a risk, is more often used as a punishment for someone who is considered to be a member of a despised or "dangerous" group. In any case, PFC Manning has not been convicted of a crime and, under our system of justice, is at this point presumed to be innocent.

The conditions of isolation to which PFC Manning, as well as many other U.S. prisoners are subjected, are sufficiently harsh as to have aroused international concern. The most recent report of the UN Committee against Torture included in its Conclusions and Recommendations for the United States the following article 36:

"The Committee remains concerned about the extremely harsh regime imposed on detainees in "supermaximum prisons". The Committee is concerned about the prolonged isolation periods detainees are subjected to, the effect such treatment has on their mental health, and that its purpose may be retribution, in which case it would constitute cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment (art. 16).

The State party should review the regime imposed on detainees in "supermaximum prisons", in particular the practice of prolonged isolation." (Emphasis in original.)

In addition to the needless brutality of the conditions to which PFC Manning is being subjected, PsySR is concerned that the coercive nature of these conditions -- along with their serious psychological effects such as depression, paranoia, or hopelessness -- may undermine his ability to meaningfully cooperate with his defense, undermining his right to a fair trial. Coercive conditions of detention also increase the likelihood of the prisoner "cooperating" in order to improve those circumstances, even to the extent of giving false testimony. Thus, such harsh conditions are counter to the interests of justice.

Given the nature and effects of the solitary confinement to which PFC Manning is being subjected, Mr. Secretary, Psychologists for Social Responsibility calls upon you to rectify the inhumane, harmful, and counterproductive treatment of PFC Bradley Manning immediately.

Sincerely,

Trudy Bond, Ph.D.
Psychologists for Social Responsibility Steering Committee

Stephen Soldz, Ph.D.
President, Psychologists for Social Responsibility

For the Psychologists for Social Responsibility Steering Committee



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Because they need him broken so he can properly give false testimony against Julian Assange.

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This is another reason why I don't vote. I want a President that fights for the user, so to speak.

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I wish Monte was here to apologize for this torture. It would be ironic.


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So his lawyer is complaining about the conditions?

Considering Aldrich Ames is doing life and the Rosenbergs got the electric chair that's not too bad. Although that hot Russian spy chick got a book deal, so overall I'd say he's shooting par.

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Dash wrote:
So his lawyer is complaining about the conditions?

Considering Aldrich Ames is doing life and the Rosenbergs got the electric chair that's not too bad. Although that hot Russian spy chick got a book deal, so overall I'd say he's shooting par.


He hasn't even been charged with a crime.


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Dash wrote:
So his lawyer is complaining about the conditions?

Considering Aldrich Ames is doing life and the Rosenbergs got the electric chair that's not too bad. Although that hot Russian spy chick got a book deal, so overall I'd say he's shooting par.


So...it's much better to torture someone and hold them without trial indefinitely?

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He hasn't even been charged with a crime.


This. Charges, trial, and sentencing usually takes place before punishments are imposed.

What happened to habeas corpus?

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Interestingly I wonder if this will hurt the Democrats next election because they will no longer have a valid "we don't support torture" argument.


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Talya wrote:
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He hasn't even been charged with a crime.


This. Charges, trial, and sentencing usually takes place before punishments are imposed.

What happened to habeas corpus?


Paging DE. How do the rules changes because he in the military? I'm assuming that he was still active duty when incarcerated.


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Aizle wrote:
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He hasn't even been charged with a crime.


This. Charges, trial, and sentencing usually takes place before punishments are imposed.

What happened to habeas corpus?


Paging DE. How do the rules changes because he in the military? I'm assuming that he was still active duty when incarcerated.


All being in the military does is change the venue of the trial to a court martial (with all its differing rules.)

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Talya, I'm finding your new avatar wonderfully distracting. Who is it?


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Aizle wrote:
Talya, I'm finding your new avatar wonderfully distracting. Who is it?


I think she's a supporting character in Buffy.


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With an ungodly annoying voice. She was the primary reason I couldn't watch more than 5 minutes of that show.

She is hot though.


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Alyson Hannigan. Played Willow Rosenberg (See my sig) on Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Currently stars on "How I met your mother." Probably equally famous for American Pie's "and this one time? at band camp?"

Ladas is also rather philistine.

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I'm going to go with "for the same reason he hasn't shut down Guantanamo Bay".

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I'm going to go with "for the same reason he hasn't shut down Guantanamo Bay".

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I think that is unfair. Shutting down Gitmo is a much harder obstacle and one that he was probably too idealistic on.


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Aizle wrote:
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I'm going to go with "for the same reason he hasn't shut down Guantanamo Bay".

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I think that is unfair. Shutting down Gitmo is a much harder obstacle and one that he was probably too idealistic on.


Why? He's the President and in control of the whole military.


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Lex Luthor wrote:
Interestingly I wonder if this will hurt the Democrats next election because they will no longer have a valid "we don't support torture" argument.

Not at all, because no one is going to give a **** in 6 months.


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I think that is unfair. Shutting down Gitmo is a much harder obstacle and one that he was probably too idealistic on.

He's the Ci-freaking-C. The prison there was created and operated under executive order. Do the math. The reality is, Obama doesn't want to shut down Guantanamo Bay. He is okay with it operating as-is. And that's definitely a betrayal of his campaign platform any way you turn it.

I really don't understand why you're giving him a pass on that. Seriously -- "Awww, but it's too hard" is a suitable excuse these days? Making promises you can't keep is okay as long as you're "too idealistic"? Give me a break.

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I would not be surprised to find out that he knew all along that he could/should not close it, and just made the statements because it was the popular sentiment at the time.


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Lex Luthor wrote:
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I'm going to go with "for the same reason he hasn't shut down Guantanamo Bay".

Hope and change!


I think that is unfair. Shutting down Gitmo is a much harder obstacle and one that he was probably too idealistic on.


Why? He's the President and in control of the whole military.


The base itself isn't the issue, it's what to do with those housed there. Not all of them, or even a majority, can just be released.


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The base itself isn't the issue, it's what to do with those housed there. Not all of them, or even a majority, can just be released.


When one says they are going to shut down an illegal prison because the prisoners being held there have been denied due process and their rights are being violated, then one chooses to not shut it down because they still want to keep those prisoners imprisoned, they've really chosen to go against not just the promise, but the entire spirit of the promise. The entire point of shutting down gitmo was to release those housed there. We don't care about the actual facility. What Obama (and you) are compromising on is an admission that you believe Bush might have been right to illegally imprison those people to begin with.

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The base itself isn't the issue, it's what to do with those housed there. Not all of them, or even a majority, can just be released.


When one says they are going to shut down an illegal prison because the prisoners being held there have been denied due process and their rights are being violated, then one chooses to not shut it down because they still want to keep those prisoners imprisoned, they've really chosen to go against not just the promise, but the entire spirit of the promise. The entire point of shutting down gitmo was to release those housed there. We don't care about the actual facility. What Obama (and you) are compromising on is an admission that you believe Bush might have been right to illegally imprison those people to begin with.


I don't think that's it entirely. While there is some validity to those criticism, it's not that cut and dried. In many cases, there are people who we want to release but as I understand it, we can't find a country to take them. Even their home countries don't want them back. Then there are those who need to have some due process, so will still be incarcerated for a while and we don't have another location to hold them until that happens.


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Aizle,

If McCain had won the election and made this same campaign promise, would you be defending him?


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If McCain had won the election and made this same campaign promise, would you be defending him?


Yup.

As far as I know they are still working on closing Gitmo, it's just taking far longer than he initially expected. Much of that delay appears to be in everyone else in the world going, no I don't want to take these guys, including our own states.


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All of which were points raised many times during the election. So either he has really bad judgement, or he was completely out to lunch.

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