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Dilemna or Dilemma - which were you taught?
I was taught to spell it with an 'n' - Dilemna 18%  18%  [ 7 ]
I was taught to spell it with a double 'm' - Dilemma 71%  71%  [ 27 ]
School was a long time ago and I don't remember 11%  11%  [ 4 ]
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I have literally never seen or heard of it being referred to as "dilemna" before this thread.

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FarSky wrote:
I have literally never seen or heard of it being referred to as "dilemna" before this thread.


This, as well.

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Correct spelling - North Dakota - 80's

This thread is the first I've heard of the "mn" spelling.


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Of interest, two of the three people who said they were taught "dillemna" were schooled in Massachusetts.

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Out of curiosity, for the "dilemna" people: How were you taught to pronounce it?


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FarSky wrote:
Out of curiosity, for the "dilemna" people: How were you taught to pronounce it?


Same way as dilemma.


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I have literally never seen or heard of it being referred to as "dilemna" before this thread.


Same for me...

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Midgen wrote:
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I have literally never seen or heard of it being referred to as "dilemna" before this thread.


Same for me...

Dilemma / Western Washington / 70's


I voted "can't remember", but I'll take Midge's word for it.


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I can't recall, but if I had to guess, I would wager that I learned the word "dilemma" from reading, not from school. I have never seen "dilemna" previously.

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Out of curiosity, for the "dilemna" people: How were you taught to pronounce it?
With a silent 'n'.

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Dilemna Philadelphia area 80's-90's.

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I've seen "dilemna" numerous times, always thought it was the metric spelling of the word tho.

Dilemma here, tho.


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I don't remember ever being taught that specific word, but I've never seen it spelled with an "n" before.

Northeast (Vermont) 80s.


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Can't come up with a logical explanation as to the reasons for the "dilemna" spelling, but there are several words that end in 'mn'.

Autumn
Condemn
Column
Hymn
Solemn


Yes, but the key is that they end with 'mn', and thus have no following vowel. Consider the etymology:

damn <- L. damnare
autumn <- L. autumnus
condemn <- L. condemnare
column <- L. columna
hymn <- L. hymnus
solemn <- L. sollemnis

These all originated from Latin words that have a voiced 'n'. And it's only in the particular lexemes where the final syllable has been clipped that the 'n' becomes silent (simply because 'mn' is hard for English-speakers to pronounce without a following vowel). Other lexemes for the same lemma (see what I did there?) voice the 'n':

damn: damnation, damned (slight), damnedest (slight), damnable
autumn: autumnal
condemn: condemnation, condemnatory, condemned (slight)
column: columnar, columnist
hymn: hymnal
solemn: solemnity, solemnize, solemness (probably cheating, but hey)

"Dilemma", on the other hand is unchanged from its Latin and Greek roots. It's simply "di" + "lemma". Even supposing that it did derive from something like "lemnus" (not a real Latin word so far as I know) we would expect it to take the English form "dilemn" and have related lexemes like "dilemnal" in which the 'n' was voiced.

Also, "lemma" by itself is an English word as well, used in linguistics and logic. There doesn't seem to have been any history of someone teaching that spelling as "lemna", which makes it even stranger.

In any case, I had never heard of this before now, so:

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Rodahn wrote:
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Does...not...compute...

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Stathol wrote:
Shelgeyr wrote:
Can't come up with a logical explanation as to the reasons for the "dilemna" spelling, but there are several words that end in 'mn'.

Autumn
Condemn
Column
Hymn
Solemn


Yes, but the key is that they end with 'mn', and thus have no following vowel. Consider the etymology:

damn <- L. damnare
autumn <- L. autumnus
condemn <- L. condemnare
column <- L. columna
hymn <- L. hymnus
solemn <- L. sollemnis

These all originated from Latin words that have a voiced 'n'. And it's only in the particular lexemes where the final syllable has been clipped that the 'n' becomes silent (simply because 'mn' is hard for English-speakers to pronounce without a following vowel). Other lexemes for the same lemma (see what I did there?) voice the 'n':

damn: damnation, damned (slight), damnedest (slight), damnable
autumn: autumnal
condemn: condemnation, condemnatory, condemned (slight)
column: columnar, columnist
hymn: hymnal
solemn: solemnity, solemnize, solemness (probably cheating, but hey)

"Dilemma", on the other hand is unchanged from its Latin and Greek roots. It's simply "di" + "lemma". Even supposing that it did derive from something like "lemnus" (not a real Latin word so far as I know) we would expect it to take the English form "dilemn" and have related lexemes like "dilemnal" in which the 'n' was voiced.

Also, "lemma" by itself is an English word as well, used in linguistics and logic. There doesn't seem to have been any history of someone teaching that spelling as "lemna", which makes it even stranger.

In any case, I had never heard of this before now, so:

Dilemma, Dallas, 30


Wtf? TMI.

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Ditto Stathol's analysis, right down to "I'd never even heard of anybody that spelled it (much less was taught to spell it!) with an 'n' before this thread.

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Psst, Stathol ...

You forgot "dampner" in your etymology of "damn".

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I'd like to point out, for any to whom this is unclear : I'm not arguing for the validity of 'dilemna'. I'm just stating that it's how I was taught in school to spell the word.

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Makes you wonder what else you were taught that was wrong, doesn't it?

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Talya wrote:
Rodahn wrote:
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Does...not...compute...


You know like:

Imperial-----------Metric

Favor-------------Favour
Flavor-------------Flavour
Color--------------Colour
Center------------ Centre

And so on . . .


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