The Glade 4.0

Monty, define racism.

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

Montegue:

Are you saying you're ready to discuss Sotomayor's case history? I ask because the last time it was an issue, you would not discuss my objections to her voting record and the inconsistency she's displayed in certain rulings. You simply called me a racist and a liar.

So, if you wish to discuss her case history, then there are plenty of reasons to object to her sitting on the bench. Of course, if you had read her case history, you would hate the fact she's on bench.

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Khross, you know he is not capable of thinking for himself like that.

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

You were terribly misleading about her record in the Supreme Court. You were, and if you aren't willing to come clean on that, then I don't think there is anything to talk about.

I read her case history. Granted, it's been months. There are things she ruled on that I disagreed with on an Ideological level, and things I agreed with. However, her rulings were consistent, highly praised by her colleagues, and reasoned according to the law.

She will be a good Justice, though she will probably rule in ways I don't like in some cases. We shall see.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Lol.

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Holy shitsnacks!

Montegue:

Some cases? She's anti-labor and anti-abortion. She's pro-religious freedom and takes a different stance on the Establishment Clause than either you or RangerDave. Ideologically, I'm amazed so many "liberals" jumped to her support. That said, she's also legally inconsistent and generally regarded as a poor legal reasoner. Her decisions are poorly written, weakly documented, and legally problematic in several cases. And twice, twice she's been rebuked for failure to rule on the matter of law at hand by the Supreme Court on which she now sits. I expect more of my judges.

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Generally regarded as a poor reasoner? By whom? Joe Scarborough? Because I've read plenty of letters and endorsements from her colleagues and teachers that very much say otherwise.

I expect more of your analytical skills and fair mindedness, Khross.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

That's been tried Montegue, but you don't like rationale. You only like it when it churns out a conclusion you like. That's not how rational works. You instantly look at the conclusion and if it's unfavorable, you claim the rational to be just "talking points" or vile hate spewing, or what have you.

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

Yes, there is. Her ruling on the recent case in Connecticut on the promotion test is the prime example that immediately springs to mind. Her ruling there was eminently racist.

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"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

People of color, by definition, can not be racist. Did you learn nothing from the University of Delaware?

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Buckle your pants or they might fall down.

Amusingly enough, I didn't learn anything from the University of Delaware.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

No, it really hasn't. Khross generally relies on intellecutall bullying to try and score internet points, and rarely actually lays out a proper argument, with documentation and reference. He tends to use his subjective political ideology as some kind of absolute statement of objective fact, and he is frequently incorrect.

I love rational discourse. This well is poisoned by the insanity of a conservative movement that's been involved in a train wreck it hasn't acknowledged yet. That needs to be cleared away before we move on to more intelligent discourse.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Montegue:

Really? Let's go through a little history lesson ...

1. You contended, based on some essay with no citations or documentation found on Geocities, that Free Market Reform and the reduction of regulation New Zealand caused an economic crisis and mass poverty.

I countered this assertion and your article with evidence from the New Zealand Government, the U.N., the O.E.C.D., the Heritage Foundation, the Pew Group, and several other sources, all with links quotes, and explanations. You simply asserted I was wrong.

2. You regularly contend that Human Induced Global Warming is a fact. I have posted links to peer-reviewed studies and articles in Academic Journals, expert blogs and published essays, as well as a myriad of other sources: you continue to assert that they are all industry shills and wrong, with no evidence or links of your own.

3. I regularly comment on economic issues and the false realities perpetuated by government. I have been critical of the BLS (Bureau of Labor Statistics) equally under Bush and Obama. I cite all sorts of economic news and reference my own expertise in the subject. Your counter is simply to repeat what the president says.

Now you're accusing me of academic dishonesty on a message board, because you never cite anything? I don't intellectually bully you. I disagree with you on a great many things.

4. You've just told a practicing physician she doesn't know the realities of how Medicare and Medicaid impact her business and her occupation. She doesn't need citations for firsthand knowledge. Indeed, all you have done is attempt to shift the subject to avoid the reality of your ideology failing in front of fact.

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It's like he adopts the terms used against him and then uses them against others with absolutely no understanding of those terms. And by like I mean is.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

I seem to recall a time when he tended to do so extensively, and you essentially said "I don't have time to read all that. Give me something I can use ctrl-f on or google a rebuttal to, or I won't consider it valid."

After seeing that kind of response, he stopped bothering. Can you blame him?

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

Khross used to provide more than sufficient documentation and reference, until Monty attacked him for that. I distinctly remember that also.

I remember that as well Kaffis, but what do we know. We do not oppose the might of the conservative powers that be (even though they do not be anymore) so we are lying hypocrites hiding behind claims from The Glade 2.0 and not even the last iteration of the board...

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

This is quite true. I think Monty's response to that was the Khross was talking down to him and trying to belittle him, something to that effect.

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

Duh, get it right.

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

Why anyone attempts rational discourse with Monty amazes me. You would get the same responses clicking on a liberal flame generator.

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

It's really more for the benefit of anyone reading who might be taken in by the emotional appeal of Monty's positions.

Take the Great WP Debate. I didn't expect Monty to grasp that by his reasoning, toothpaste is a chemical weapon. I made those points for the benefi of people knowing little about the topic at hand who might be taken in by Monty's claims about the pictures, and the "experts" he cited (including the one that explicity claimed not to be familiar with the weapons in question.)

Monty does a great job of putting out standard liberal lines for refutation by people willing to discard emotional appeal and go deeper than the surface of the issue.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Khross was terribly misleading in regards to Justice Sotomayor. He claimed that her record of overturns on the supreme court somehow showed that she was unqualified to serve. That doesn't stand the test of either logic or truth. Her overturn rate was lower than the usual rate for the Supreme Court. Furthermore, the SC chooses what cases it will hear, and often takes cases it intends to overturn. Which is why the rate is so very high for every case that crosses their threshold.

Khross was very deceptive in that thread, and never, ever copped to it. He does that fairly frequently. He uses big words in order to intimidate and bully other posters, but he doesn't actually back up his assertions with real facts. The fact that he *still* refuses to accept that HIGW is real is evidence that he's incapable the high degree of rationality often attributed to him on this board.

(inc someone posting about sunspot activity or volcanoes)

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

When was the last time you did such?



Similarly, when was the last time you rationally discussed anything here?
I have seen no evidence of this in recent years. You won't rationally discuss issues.



Incorrectly parroting phrases used by others makes you look ignorant.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

I am very careful to *not* lay out my personal political opinions as objective fact. The words "in my opinion" or "i believe" generally follow most of my statements about my politics. No, not all of hem.



As I said before, until the Glade abandons the insane, delusional, paranoid crap, there can be no rational discourse. I deal with individuals just fine. I was having a perfectly tame conversation with Squirrel Girl before the Justice League decided to swoop in and rescue the damsel in distress. Yes, I called her post misleading. I never called her a liar. That was your creation and the creation of others. You jumped on the opportunity to try and paint me as some monster while I was busily having a perfectly genial conversation.

I can say "your point is misleading" without that being a personal attack.

I *will* rationally discuss issues with rational people.



Is there something in our history that leads you to believe that I give a damn about your opinion, or most other conservatives' opinion of me on this board? Because that all went away when the conservatives started calling liberals traitors and terrorist sympathizers. And if you think that ended with the Iraq war, you're wrong. It popped up again during the election, when Obama was suddenly a muslim sleeper agent and all of his "followers" were mindless zombie slaves to socialism.

Or did you conveniently forget that poison that got dumped into the well?

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Which really doesn't matter because anyone else who does the same is accused of being a racist, homophobe, having a sense of entitlement, etc. All you're really doing is saying "my opinion is right because any contradictory one is based on bigotry or selfishness



The only person here with any paranoid delusional crap is you. As for SG, you were starting right on on your usual BS of calling her post "misleading" (and you also later called it "dishonest") with no backup whatsoever except your own assertions that it was. Since you're... a fencing instructor and not a health care expert, that's not good enough. There's no reason to think she's being misleading, since you haven't even provided a source biased towards your side, much less a credible one.



No one here ever called Obama a muslim sleeper agent or liberal terrorist sympathizers, and quite frankly, you have no basis to complain about any name calling given how frequently you sling the "racist" and "homophobe" labels, among others. Since you don't care what anyone here thinks, and don't care about avoiding ignorant behavior, apparently you're just here to troll.

There are no hard and fast rules for the new forum, but I suspect the banhammer is in your near future.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."