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Unfortunatly his passing is being ignored by the slavering drones eager to pin this on "teabagger terrorists". The news sites are rife with the tinfoil hat and SPDS (Sarah Palin Derangement Syndrome) crowd. And then thats attracting their right wing counterparts with their fire, brimstone and omg manchurian canidate BS.

I'm going to hibernate from news this weekend. This is disgusting.

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

Even Fox News confirms that Giffords was the target. Authorities are saying the gunman may not have acted alone.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01 ... lic-event/

Yes, I agree. I was thinking, though, that that judge was the target of death threats because of one of his rulings. But it just seems like a horrible coincidence after all.

Check this out guys! From Palin's website.

Do you have any original thought? Or just what you find in the dreggs of reddit, etc ?

This crap has been dragged through the mud already to the point it's making me Ill.

Are you suggesting that Palin was somehow responsible for what happened in Arizona?

Haha, I noticed recently that once I see something on reddit it's only a matter of time until I see Lex post it here. It's hilarious to see all the blame being thrown at Palin over there due to this page that she likely had close to zero input on that was up like a year ago.

Can't we just be fine with the fact that the guy is crazy? Why does it have to be blamed on someone (or something)?

Shocking

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“Strong people are harder to kill than weak people, and more useful in general”. - Mark Rippetoe

Not so much, I'd say. Early reports didn't mention him at all. He's getting more attention now, along with the other victims. The one that affected me was the 70-something retired construction worker who was shot in the head while shielding his wife. (She was shot 3 times, but survived.) No greater love...

And honestly, there's a bunch of nutjob conspiracy theorists from the other side all over this. How the shooting was set up by the left so that guns can be banned. One comment I read stated this theory, followed by "It's happened before!") Both sides need to tone it down.

My guess is that Rep. Giffords' presence on that map of Palin's was just a coincidence. However, I think this will make people start to think about the rhetoric they are using. For example, bringing up "the ballot box or the bullet box" or the need to employ "second amendment remedies" if they don't get their way through normal democratic processes. A return to civility would be nice for a change.

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When he's underwater does he get wet? Or does the water get him instead?

No because then they'd be letting a "perfectly good disaster go to waste."

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

Here is my question on this senseless shooting:



So, taking emotion out of it completely, if you look at it in a sort of Machiavellian way, they should try and pin it on the Republicans and the Tea Party. Clearly it will work on the faithful, addle brained and others. And also clearly that's what many of them are doing. Short term gain though at best, it seems like this guy was nutty enough to not have it stick very well.

But the question is, do the people blaming the Tea Party do this because they sincerely believe it? The Krugmans and various MSNBC people and these fringe bomb throwers. Is it because they are sort of indirectly assigned to do this as cover for the mainstream politicians? Or maybe it is just that they bank their limited relevance (for lack of a better term) on being "shocking" and feeding the base red meat.

Obviously this applies to all similar examples not just this one.

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“Strong people are harder to kill than weak people, and more useful in general”. - Mark Rippetoe

Im having this play out on facebook. People instantly blamed the Tea Party like good little partisan robots and I point out they have absolutely zero evidence of this and they screech like banshees.

Its 100% emotional 0% rational and they know it and react like a vampire just had a cross pointed at them when it is pointed out.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

I've found this concept very interesting to me as it applies to politics because it begins to take into account "chess" thinking, while most peoples grasp of political issues are more like "checkers" at best.

I'm sure the tatic has been used for many administrations, but I'm only going to use Obamas as my example because it's when I really began to look at how it's used. How many statements have been made by "advisors" or "administration officals" to test the waters of public opinion? It seems we will have Gates say one thing while Obama or other officals say something else. Whichever gets the better polling numbers they go with. "Death Panels" was one that got away from them- but what happened? The administration caved publicly and then inserted the same thing in the regulations. Quietly. A politican will have a fluid stance until the % starts getting up into the mid 60s. Then, and only then I feel they will tie themselves to a stance.

I see social media and public comment forums as no different. I know that both right and left have folks to "help" sway opinion. Remember- while in a discussion you may never convince your opponent, but you very well may convince a listener. I'm sure some folks do it for sport and to get the ole e-peen blood flowing, but I've seen the same line of thought presented on too many sites too many times for it to be anything but a coordinated effort to gin up public ire on a topic.

I'm not so sure that most folks want to start thinking in 3 dimensions when it comes to politics.

Oh one more thing- again with the "automatic weapon" bs by the media.

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

The Rep also supported a lot of the things that Tea Partiers do. Don't forget to stoke the fire that she voted AGAINST Nancy Pelosi's reelection. I bet it was a Pelosi sponsored communist vegan atheist that did it!

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

Yeah. In another example of how party-affiliation doesn't seem to do much to people's politics, Giffords has a reputation as a pro-gun-rights economic-conservative.

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The Tea Party is the face of the radical right in the US, and lets face it, it was more than likely a radical rightist because if there's one thing radical leftists hate universally in the US, it's guns.

/broadbrushbullshit

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

Really? Because I know quite a few rabid lefties that have guns....

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Darksiege: You are not a god damned vulcan homie.

A pox on both your houses!

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/20 ... officials/


Don't say anything that can be taken as threatening a politician.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

Rage Against the Machine will be in prison shortly then? Public Enemy will be rounded up and put in the pokey? How about Alinksy, Cloward and Piven, Rev Wright, Rev Jackson, Rev Sharpton, Jane Fonda, Glen Beck, Limbaugh so on and so on?

Or am I right in thinking that if passed, this will be just another justification to quiet those that are questioning those currently in power?

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

From that article:



Uh huh...

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“Strong people are harder to kill than weak people, and more useful in general”. - Mark Rippetoe

From the street in Northern CA

Word from the local VoFW is that they want to know if the revolution has come and can they declare open season on Tea Baggers. Couple vets down the street were pretty upset at this event and ready to go ******* hunting.

Our local VoFW is mostly Viet Nam vets, bikers, shaggy hair or high and tights. They will argue about anything for days, but guns are for shooting game and targets, not civilians. Self defense is one thing, this is a whole different kettle of fish.

One of them was comparing the Tea Party to the John Birch society, and not favorably.

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"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

Classy, Mike. Real classy.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/47338.html

*snip*

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

I'm hoping the legislation is largely symbolic (I did "something", vote for me!). I don't see it going forward, but i could be wrong.

Really all that needs to be done, is the gunman and is direct conspirators (if any) need to be dealt with. They got the guy so they are halfway there. People have a sin nature and we can't stop them all.

Also Yes he's probably a radical rightist (of the anarchist variety). The problem with being the party on the right is you're closer to the Anarchists than the socialist are. And people tending to be rebellious and independent creatures spawn more Anarchists than they do radical fascist imperialists. Yeah and Sadly being closer to the right than the Olympia Snows and Lindsey Grams of the world the Tea party is closer to the Anarchists in the relative terms. That doesn't mean they support Anarchists in general or in this specific.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"