The Glade 4.0

Just relaying what I've been hearing in the blue collar neighborhood I live in.

Personally, I'm for everyone taking a breather from the anger rhetoric and getting back to discussing the issues with facts not emotions.

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

I wonder how they would identify a "Tea Bagger"?

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

The only thing the shooter was close to was psychosis.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/10/us/10shooter.html



The rush to turn this into political capital either way is outright sickening. **** this planet.

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And we will risk the ship, ourselves and all.

What is with gunmen writing pieces with titles alluding to red meat?

Did not the Cho Seung-Hui write a poem about a (titular) character named Richard McBeef?

Hannibal,

I don't know how it is on the east coast, but in this neck of the woods, when there is a Tea Party rally, the participants wear tea bags on their clothing. That is the only way I could think of to identify them from anyone else.

I'm just appalled and amused by the speed in which the old vets (most over 60) are jumping on the anti-Tea Party bandwagon over this shooting. It seems to have been a common conclusion to jump to, watching the comments on the internet coverage. To me, this shows an undertone of willingness to believe horrible things about Tea Party members in all the other parties.

Like it or not, whether it is fair or not, the Tea party has rapidly become the new face of the boogeyman.

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

Here is the crux of it. We have become a disease that needs to be purged.

We have outlived our usefulness and need to become extinct.

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My initial assumption was that he was a right-wing nutjob. It's an obvious first, uneducated guess, and I can understand why people are saying this.

However, the more information that comes out, the less coherent this guy turns out to be. He does not appear to be associated with the Tea-Party at all, he appears to be an anarchist/libertarian lunatic.

Everyone needs to just calm down. We don't need emergency legislation. We don't need immediate gun control. We certainly don't need the opportunity to increase the political polarization and rhetoric.

Some dude that crouches over your corpse in Black Ops.

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The Dude abides.

In all fairness, this is good comedy right here.

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The Dude abides.

Whatever he is, is pretty much irrelevant beyond the fact that he's clearly loony tunes. Unless all the information about the teachers, students and others who were literally afraid of the guy is incorrect, he was very disturbed.

But.... if politics is going to be linked to him:

He is a 9/11 truther
Atheist
Liked, among other books, the Communist Manefesto
Described as "quite liberal" and a pothead by someone who knows him
Favorited a video of a flag burning and anti government rant.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... 79cbf6f758

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valley ... hooter.php

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/09/us/po ... ooter.html


None of that sounds remotely like a Tea Party person to me.

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“Strong people are harder to kill than weak people, and more useful in general”. - Mark Rippetoe

That still doesn't stop our friggin sheriff from blaming local talk radio.

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The Dude abides.

Other things we know, politically:

He wants a return to the gold standard.
He is anti-federalist.
He is unhappy that few have read the constitution.
He is concerned about property rights.

Anyone seen anything else?

The idea that using this politically in an attempt to marginalize a growing and vocal movement that already feels powerless, and whom is already characterized (however wrongheaded) as violent and radicalized by their opposition seems counter intuitive to me.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

Counter intuitive in what way though. Ethically or politically? Clinton did it fairly successfully with the Oklahoma City bombing.

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“Strong people are harder to kill than weak people, and more useful in general”. - Mark Rippetoe

Practically.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

That depends on what you think their end-game is, I suppose.

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The Dude abides.

his Favorite Book was "The Communist Manifesto"
He Blamed Bush for blowing up the World Trade Center.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

This guy sounds like the perfect political patsy, he is something to everyone, just ignore the parts you do not like. He's the Mr potato head of bad guys, assign the parts you like!

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Yes but Clinton did it to militias and supremist groups. It's a bit harder to do it to a real national collective of like minded people. I feel the only way Obama will directly implicate the Tea Party is if the Democrats have entirly written off the Independant voter as swinging Dem in 2012. I think he will have a few of his flying monkeys like Krugman testing the waters of public opinion repeatedly over the next few weeks.

Again, this is a totally new era of American politics. Instead of waiting for Walter Kronkite to tell me what this shooter believed, I can go look for myself and form my own opinion. We no longer need the media middleman filtering the story for a national audience. I can read the local newspaper, look at the shooters facebook/youtube/myspace. The media/gov partnership has been weakened by the internet.

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

Look at any newscast today though, or at least CNN headline news which I am forced to endure at work... and you'll see it connected over and over. They may phrase it as "Is political rhetoric over the top"? or just overtly blame republicans like the NYT et al is doing.

Speaking of facebook:

"Zuckerberg: 'Is Sarah Palin To Blame For AZ Shooting' Top Question On Facebook Today

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/zuckerbe ... z1AebsasKx
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01 ... rning-car/

WASHINGTON -- Homicide investigators were called to the scene Monday of a burning car that contained the body of the wife of a White House adviser.

Ashley Turton, a Washington lobbyist who was a former chief of staff to Rep. Rosa DeLauro, D-Conn., and the wife of White House congressional liaison Dan Turton, was found inside the car located in southeast Washington. Property records show the Turtons lived at the southeast Washington home where D.C. firefighters found the body. They have three children.

D.C. Fire and Emergency Services spokesman Pete Piringer said EMS received a call around 5 a.m. regarding a fire in a garage. Officials determined that the car ignited in the garage and damage was confined to that area. One victim was found deceased in the car, but Piringer would not provide details of the victim to Fox News.

Progress Energy, where Ashley Turton worked since 2007, issued a statement that she had died.

"Ashley was a valued employee whose insight and hard work had been critical on so many of our legislative and regulatory issues. She was also a dear friend to many of us and this news is very hard to take. I know we all will keep her husband, children and parents in our thoughts and prayers. ... Ashley's tragic death reminds us all to keep perspective in all things," reads the statement by Bill Johnson, president and CEO of Progress Energy.

Piringer said that initially residents at the complex where the fire occurred said everyone was accounted for, and only after the fire was put out did firefighters discover that a body was in the vehicle.

D.C. Fire/EMS is working with the Metro Police Department major crash unit on the incident. Piringer said the leading theory for the fire is that the car crashed crashed into the garage and ignited.



Ok seriously, WTF is going on lately?

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

@ Hannibal:

That's really strange. How do you have a fire that's powerful and quick enough to trap and kill someone where the fire is confined that much? She was driving home at 5AM? Nobody heard a crash?

She was listening to Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh podcasts. The resulting rage it generated, and not having any other person close by, she burned herself.

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

Has suicide been ruled out? Car exhaust, muffler sets something on fire. Fits the scenario prety well.

Or it could have been a political hit, but she doesn't seem like a probable direct target.

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

Usually the damage caused by a crash isn't present if the car is just running in the garage and there's not a crash.

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