Came across some supposedly popular rap music by several different artists today...full of explicit lyrics like
Spoiler:
***** be spinnin' on my dick like a CD-ROM, hos be all up on my dick, and several other rather non-creative ways to call women hos and whores and demand that they put a cock in their mouth
What possible intrinsic artistic value does this have? Is there something I'm missing? Is this some sort of gangsta/thug angst? It seems pretty much like just a bunch of nasty, vulgar, gratuitous, crap to me.
There are some rap songs I like because they express anger and rage in a creative and powerful way and about something that is WORTH getting angry over....but most of it is just crap about mindlessly shooting people, drinking, and forcing "hos" to give it up.
_________________ "Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Jesus of Nazareth
_________________ "...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville
Oddly enough, this same observation occurred to me when I was over in San Francisco a few months ago. At a couple points during our stay, we were blasted out by someone cranking out hardcore rap on their car stereo, and it was nothing but a string of obscenities/insults.
This style of rap holds no fascination for me whatsoever.
Profanity should be reserved to make actual points in song lyrics, not just to throw them out there to be edgy.
Good rap = artists like Eminem, DMX, and Beastie Boys (although I see the Beasties as more hip hop than rap).
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There's a lot of misogyny is some of that music. Welcome to whats popular, confused white female. That's why I stick to nerd-core hip hop.
_________________ "...the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?" -Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Well, it's really beyond gross and I don't offend that easily with profanity and stuff but, for example, go read the lyrics to "No Hands" by Roscoe Dash:
Spoiler:
Can't you tell, goose we been spent fifty stacks so **** it Well I'm tryna to hit the hotel with two girls that's wide awake Take this dick and swallow bay mascato got her freaky Hey you got me in a trans, you take of yo pants You pussy pop on a handstand you got me sweating please pass me a fan DAMN!!
I can't believe there are kids, yes kids, actually listening to this. This is beyond an F-you here are and there or old school allusions to getting laid, this is hard core NASTY, explicit, stuff and that was one of the more mild songs.
_________________ "Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Jesus of Nazareth
Yeah, I know. It's like rap music suddenly became all vulgar, isn't it? Well, here's a gem from 1999. You might recognize the song:
Spoiler:
(Juvenile) Got you working with some ***, yeah You bad, yeah Make a nigga spend his cash, yeah His last, yeah Hoes clown when you pass, yeah They mad, yeah You gon' ride in the Jag, yeah With dad, yeah You could smoke or buy a bag, yeah A grass, yeah Got money I confess, yeah And trash, yeah I'm a Big Tymer nigga, yeah Pulling trigger, yeah A player hater to flip with, yeah Gon' head and fill it, yeah I be slanging wood, yeah Out the hood, yeah Let it be understood, yeah It's all good, yeah Got a nigga screaming large, yeah On the hard, yeah A smooth ghetto broad, yeah I want the broad, yeah A nigga do a trick, yeah On the dick, yeah You claiming you want a *****, yeah That ain't ****, yeah The nigga with the money, yeah Don't act funny, yeah Got birds and I'm running, yeah 'Bout a hundred, yeah
Chorus) Girl, you looks good, won't you back that *** up You'se a fine ****, won't you back that *** up Call me big daddy when you back that *** up Hoe, who is you playing with, back that *** up Girl, you looks good, won't you back that *** up You'se a fine ****, won't you back that *** up Call me big daddy when you back that *** up Girl, who is you playing with back that *** up Girl, you looks good, won't you back that *** up You'se a fine ****, won't you back that *** up
(Juvenile) You got to steal, big ***, yeah Make me laugh, yeah Make a nigga wanna grab that Wanna grab that I'm sweating on the draws, yeah On hard, yeah Wanna walk it like a dog, yeah Break you off, yeah How you gon' get yours, yeah That's for sure, yeah You **** with my nerves, yeah To the curb, yeah I know you ***** know, yeah And it show, yeah But a nigga got some more, yeah I'm 'bout to flow, yeah Fresh off some ****, yeah In his *****, yeah We be making hit, yeah After hit, yeah Them titties sitting nice, yeah I wanna bite, yeah I could **** you right, yeah All night, yeah Wanna bring it to my house, yeah On the couch, yeah Knock the pussy out, yeah Get them out, yeah I wanna see these hoes, yeah Bend it low, yeah Let me run it in the hole, yeah Let me know, yeah
(Chorus) Girl, you looks good, won't you back that *** up You'se a fine ****, won't you back that *** up Call me big daddy when you back that *** up Hoe, who is you playing with back that *** up Girl, you looks good, won't you back that *** up You'se a fine ****, won't you back that *** up Call me big daddy when you back that *** up Hoe, who is you playing with back that *** up
(Manny Fresh) I know you can't stand it Big Bandit done landed See the draws handed We can go get it y'all gang split it y'all Put the ***** on the wall and I hit it y'all I'm looking kind of lonely I'm feeling horny Put the dick in the middle like Monee Big, thick plumber chick And a Hummer chick Beat the dick like a **** drummer chick Cinch that putty-cat look at that I love a **** hoody-rat That's a fact You'se a **** get it girl Quit it girl I'm the nigga, the nigga, nigga The hit it girl
It isn't just men who are nasty, either. Here's a song by Lil' Kim from 1996, called "Not Tonight":
Spoiler:
I know a dude named Jimmy used to run up in me Night time pissy drunk off the henny rimmy I didn't mind it, when he **** me from behind It felt fine, 'specially when he used to grind it He was a trick when I sucked his dick Used to pass me bricks, credit cards and **** Suck him to sleep,I took the keys to the jeep Tell him "I'll be back," go **** with some other cats Flirtin', gettin' numbers, in the summer, hoe hop Raw top in my mans drop Then this homey Jimmy, he's screamin "Gimme," Lay me on my back, bustin' nuts all in me After ten times we ****, I think I bust twice He was nice, kept my neck filled with ice Put me in Chanels, kept me out nice Cold suckin' his dick, rockin' tha mike It was somethin' about this dude I couldn't stand Somethin' that coulda made his *** a real man Somethin' I wanted, but I never was pushy the **** never ate my pussy
Chorus: I don't want dick tonight, eat my pussy right Uh, uh, uh, uh Lil' Kim, Lil' Kim, bring it to me now
I know a dude named Ron Doo push a Q Had a wild crew on Flatbush and Avenue U Had a weedspot, used to pump African black He used to, seal his bag so his workers wouldn't cap I used to see him, in the tunnel, with **** at dawn Whisper in my ear he wanna get his **** on I dug him, so I **** him, it wasn't nuttin' He wanted me to suck him, but I didn't, I aint frontin' The sex was wack, a four stroke creep I jumped on his dick, rode his *** to sleep He called next week, askin' why I aint beep him "I thought your *** was still sleepin." He laughed, told me he bought a new Path Could he come over right fast and **** my pretty ***? I'll pass, nigga the dick was trash If sex was record sales you would be double plat The only way you seein' me is if you eatin' me Downtown taste my love like Horace Brown Tryin' to impress me with your five G stones I give you ten G's nigga if you leave me alone, screamin'
Chorus
The moral of the story is this You aint lickin' this, you aint stickin' this And I got witnesses, ask any nigga I been with They aint hit **** till they stuck they tongue in this I aint with that frontin' **** I got my own Benz, I got my own ends, immediate friends Me and my girls rock worlds, some big niggas **** for car keys, and double digit figures Good dick I cherish, I could be blunt I treat it like it's precious, I aint gonna front For limp dick niggas, that's frontin' like they willy Suck my pussy till they kill me, you feel me?
Chorus
Here's another song she did with Sisqo in 2000, called "How Many Licks?":
Spoiler:
[Sisqo] Hold up So what you're saying is, oh (Niggaz got me pissed like Lil' Kim) You want to get freaky again, aight A-ooh-ah-ooh Oh, oh, oh, oh
[Lil' Kim] I've been a lot of places, seen a lot of faces Ah hell I even **** with different races A white dude - his name was John He had a Queen Bee Rules tattoo on his arm, uh He asked me if I'd be his date for the prom and he'd buy me a horse, a Porsche and a farm Dan my nigga from Down South Used to like me to spank him and cum in his mouth And Tony he was Italian (Uh-huh) And he didn't give a **** (Uh-huh) That's what I liked about him He ate my pussy from dark till the mornin Called his girl up and told her we was bonin Puerto Rican papi, used to be a Deacon But now he be sucking me off on the weekend And this black dude I called King Kong He had a big *** dick and a hurricane tongue
[Sisqo] So, how many licks does it take till you get to the center of the? (Cause I've got to know) How many licks does it take till you get to the center of the? (Tell me) How many licks does it take till you get to the center of the? (Oh, oh) How many licks does it take till you get to the center of the? (Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh)
[Lil' Kim] This verse goes out to my niggaz in jail Beatin they dicks to the double-X-L; Magazine (uhh) You like how I look in the aqua green? Get your Vaseline Roll some weed with some tissue and close your eyes Then imagine your tongue in between my thighs [Moans] Baby.. ohh.. yes ohh! Jailer.. open up.. cell, block, eight [sexual sounds] Alright nigga, that's enough Stop, look and listen; get back to your position Kim got your dick hard, startin fights in the yard Hotter than a Pop Tart fresh out of the toaster Niggaz do anything for a Lil' Kim poster Eses, Bloods, Crips, all the thugs Up North in the hole, they all wanna know
[Sisqo] How many licks does it take till you get to the center of the? (Tell me, ha) How many licks does it take till you get to the center of the? (Tell me, oh yeah) How many licks does it take till you get to the center of the? (Oh, oh) How many licks does it take till you get to the center of the? (Oh, oh, oh, oh)
[Lil' Kim] If you drivin in the street, hold on to your seat Niggaz, grab your meat while I ride the beat And if you see a shiny black Lamborghini fly by ya (Shoom!) That's me the Knight Rider Dressed in all black with the gat in the lap Lunatics in the street - gotta keep the heat Sixty on the bezel, a hundred on the rings Sittin pretty baby with a Cash Money bling 12 A.M. I'm on the way to club After three bottles I'll be ready to **** Some niggaz even put me on their grocery lists Right next to the whip cream and box of chocolates Designer pussy, my **** come in flavors High-class taste niggaz got to spend paper Lick it right the first time or you gotta do it over Like it's rehearsal for a Tootsie commercial
Another gem from 2002, by Khia, "My Neck, My Back (Lick It)":
Spoiler:
All you ladies pop your pussy like this Shake your body, don't stop, don't miss All you ladies pop your pussy like this Shake your body, don't stop, don't miss Just do it, do it, do it, do it, do it now Lick it good suck this pussy, just like you should Right now, Lick it good suck this pussy just like you should My Neck, my back Lick my pussy and my crack,
My Neck, my back Lick my pussy and my crack My Neck, my back Lick my pussy and my crack My Neck, my back Lick my pussy and my crack My Neck, my back Lick my pussy and my crack
First you gotta put your neck into it Don't stop, just do, do it Then you roll your tongue, from the crack back to the front then suck it off til I shake and cum nigga make sure I keep bustin nuts nigga all over your face and stuff slow head show me so much love the best head comes from a thug the dick good dick big and long slow **** til the crack of dawn on the edge makin faces n stuff Through the night, making so much love Dead sleep when the sun comes up
So, lick it now, lick it good Lick this pussy just like you should Right now, lick it good Lick this pussy just like you should
[Chorus] My Neck, my back Lick my pussy and my crack My Neck, my back Lick my pussy and my crack
You might roll dubs, you might have G's But **** that nigga, get on your knees A ***** like me moans and screams Thug misses know what I mean At the club so fresh, so clean Hoes hatin' niggas watchin' me So hot in the line, on green With a unit on my face, so mean I gotta pick which nigga I need to suck a thug nigga satisfy me Try me nigga I'll make you see them ***** aint got **** on me
So, lick it now, lick it good Lick this pussy just like you should Right now, lick it good Lick this pussy just like you should
My Neck, my back Lick my pussy and my crack My Neck, my back Lick my pussy and my crack
So, lick it now, lick it good Suck this pussy just like you should Right now, lick it good Suck this pussy just like you should
My Neck, my back Lick my pussy and my crack My Neck, my back Lick my pussy and my crack
Here's the lyrics to Sisqo's "Thong Song" from 2000:
Spoiler:
This thing right here Is lettin all the ladies know What guys talk about You know The finer things in life Hahaha Check it out
Ooh dat dress so scandalous And ya know another nigga couldn't handle it See ya shakin that thang like who's da ish With a look in ya eye so devilish
Uh Ya like to dance at all the hip hop spots And ya cruise to the crews like connect da dots Not just urban she likes the pop Cuz she was livin la vida loca
[BRIDGE] She had dumps like a truck truck truck Thighs like what what what Baby move your butt butt butt Uh I think to sing it again She had dumps like a truck truck truck Thighs like what what what All night long Let me see that thong
[CHORUS] I like it when the beat goes da na da na Baby make your booty go da na da na Girl I know you wanna show da na da na That thong th thong thong thong I like it when the beat goes da na da na Baby make your booty go da na da na Girl I know you wanna show da na da na That thong th thong thong thong
That girl so scandalous And I know another nigga couldn't handle it And she shakin that thang like who's da ish With a look in her eye so devilish
Uh She like to dance at all the hip hop spots And she cruise to the crews like connect da dots Not just urban she likes the pop Cuz she was livin la vida loca
[BRIDGE]
[CHORUS (2x)]
Whoaaa That dress so scandalous And I swear another nigga couldn't handle it See ya shakin that thang like who's da ish With a look in her eye so devilish
(Whoa) Uh ya like to dance at all the hip hop spots And ya cruise to the crews like connect da dots Not just urban ya like the pop Cuz she was livin la vida loca
(Whoa) She had dumps like a truck truck truck Thighs like what what what Baby move your butt butt butt (Ooh) Uh think to sing it again Cuz she had dumps like a truck truck truck Thighs like what what what Baby move your butt butt butt Uh think to sing it again Come on Come on Come on Come on
Yeahhhh yeah
[CHORUS (3x)]
Whoa Uh alright Uh whoa yeah Ooh Whoa (Like it when the beat goes da na da na) (Baby make your booty go da na da na) (Girl I know you wanna show da na da na) Baby (That thong th thong thong thong)
(I like it when the beat goes da na da na) (Baby make your booty go da na da na) (Girl I know you wanna show da na da na) (That thong th thong thong thong)
And the ladies' response, Trina's "Tongue Song" (which I can't find a year for):
Spoiler:
You hear the strings nigga But on the flipside to this thong **** this is what ***** talk about What niggaz need to do with wutz in tha thong Ya heard me -uh-
This might sound so scandalous but itz tha truth -n- men can't handle it See most of tha time a nigga dick aint **** He needa go a step further -n- lick tha clit -uh- Keep lickin 'till ya hit my spot Nigga **** all the juice in tha booze ya pop You get no skin jus cumin wit cock put you face up in my cocha
Cuz i'm go geta nut nut nut Head like wut wut wut Hands all on my butt butt butt Ya need to lick it again c'mon Cuz i'm gon geta nut nut nut Head like wut wut wut All night long. Work tha tongue, work tha tongue
I like it when u lick it slow duh duh duh Baby make my pussy go duh duh duh I know ya wanna hit it so duh duh duh Gimmi that tongue tongue tongue
This might sound so scandalous but itz tha truth -n- men can't handle it See most of tha time a nigga dick aint **** He needa go a step further -n- lick tha clit -uh- Keep lickin 'till ya hit my spot Nigga **** all the juice in tha booze ya pop You gets no skin jus cumin wit cock put you face up in my cocha
Cuz i'm go geta nut nut nut Head like wut wut wut Hands all on my butt butt butt Ya need to lick it again c'mon Cuz i'm gon geta nut nut nut Head like wut wut wut All night long. Work tha tongue, work tha tongue
I like it when u lick it slow duh duh duh Baby make my pussy go duh duh duh I know ya wanna hit it so duh duh duh Gimmi that tongue tongue tongue
My niggaz be talkin bout thongs -n- **** I wanna see ya face in between my hips Ya seen the black gold can bring a ***** Strings so scandalous, you can't handle this I like ta dance in my 6 inch pumps Put a feelin in my pussy while ya smoke a blunt Strait put ya ina trance yo I aint no punk Have ya dreamin bout my cocha
All a nigga wanna do is **** **** **** Head like wut wut wut Come n geta nut nut nut All they wanna do is **** **** **** Head like wut wut wut Come -n- geta nut nut nut I think i'll sing it again c'mon now wut
like it when u lick it slow duh duh duh Baby make my pussy go duh duh duh I know ya wanna hit it so duh duh duh Gimmi that tongue tongue tongue
So to be honest, at least the rap music industry is equal-opportunity when it comes to sexually exploitative lyrics. Female rappers are somewhat less common (though female artists have traditionally been less common within the music industry), but they exist, and are just as quick to judge potential paramours based on their willingness and skill at performing oral pleasure.
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_________________ "Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Jesus of Nazareth
Every generation is doing things to shock the previous generation, so on and so forth. Remember when wearing skirts above your knees were considered unacceptable?
I don't like it, don't care for it. It irks me when I see parents with small children cranking stuff like this on the radio. I don't think the government needs to step in though.
_________________ I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"
Hip hop music is full of albums with material pontificating on the more *ahem* academic issues in society. However, having an insane song with disrespectful lyrics bordering on rape and murder fantasies is just entertainment and a bit of an outlet. There are days when I just want to drag the person in the car in front of me out of the drivers seat and cave his/her skull in with the 30mm crescent wrench I keep in my hatch. But listening to a **** up song at the gym to blow off the steam seems like a better option after the urge to kill lowers.
Just my best guess. Some of those **** up tracks had some pretty cool rhythmic patterns in the rhymes. Here's a fairly recent (released in early November) but not nearly as explicit:
Hardly TI's best rapping or Pharrell's best production ... but TI's bad rapping is better than 95% of all the rest of the material signed, independent or otherwise.
_________________ "It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones
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I really hate rap. (Except for Will Smith's old stuff, who had the good sense to follow his grandmother's advice about writing music.)
_________________ Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails... ...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be? Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me █ ♣ █
2 Live Crew's "We Want Some Pussy" was released in 1987. What happened that somebody noticed offensive rap lyrics today?
As a young male growing up as the same time rap began to gain widespread appeal, I have to tell you that 2 live Crew was considered the embodiment of all that was evil at the time. I remember schools advising parents to go through their kids tape collections. Of course we all just kept dub tapes of 2Live and later on NWA unmarked. It was a wide gap from RUN DMC to get into 2Live territory. Hell I don't think that most folks would have known what rap was if it wasn't for the Aerosmith/RUN DMC version of "Walk this Way". Some would say Blondie/Fab5 were the begining but I don't think folks recgonized that as rap. Now the pendulum has swung all the way to the other side. It's mostly vulgarity and obscentiy, with the actual storytellers being rare.
I now consider the genre dead. All it is now is a formula. Combine 1 rapper with 1 part made up credibility, add 2 parts production and 1 part T-Pain vocoder track = $$. Sometimes a gem (Eminem/X-hibit type) pops up and will have longevity. Most of the time I doubt these "artists" are able to pay back their advances.
_________________ A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill
I would like to point out this lovely little ditty from the wonderful 1990 release by 2 Live Crew; Banned in the USA, and my personal favorite (I actually really do like this song for some reason, I cannot place). I give you....
Spoiler:
Face down, *** up
Chorus(2x): Luke FACE DOWN *** UP! THAT'S THE WAY WE LIKE TO ****! (repeated by the rest of the Crew)
Verse 1: Fresh Kid Ice I'm lookin' for a ***** to spend the night Do the crazy thing while I **** all night I make her do things like nothing before And when I'm done, she'll always be sore >From the things I do when I'm ****' And when I'm tired, the ***** are suckin' A double team with a friend of mine Luke's in front and I'm behind Just ridin' you like a pony While you suck my dick, makin' me horny Then all of a sudden we'll switch positions Prop your *** up and freak the pushin' And when I cum, you'll hear me roar I'll treat any ***** like a whore 'Cause it's the way I like to **** It's face down and *** up!
Chorus
Verse 2: Brother Marquis Face down, *** up, that's the way I like to **** I like the butt, it's my favorite position I'm tired of the front, so that's why I'm *****' Flip-flop it, baby, bend your *** over In a full house spread, let me hold ya Marquis, a raw dick **** Virgin mouthpieces, the best dick-suckers Dick-tricks, go round and round Grip it with your pussy, go up and down I got her callin' my name out when I'm freakin' out I bust a nut, and then I'm breakin' out So when you're naked, down on all fours You better make sure that you get yours 'Cause a nigga like me will love ya and leave ya I got mine, hoe! SEE YA!
Chorus
Verse 3: Luke OK fellas, I got one right here, aaight? Check this out: Lemme hear you say, "Pussy ain't nuttin' but meat on the bone Suck it or **** it or leave it alone!" (they all repeat) Say "Pussy ain't nuttin' but meat on the bone Suck it or **** it or leave it alone!" (they all repeat) OK ladies, I got one for y'all! Say "Dick ain't nuttin' but meat on the bone Suck it or **** it or leave it alone!" (the ladies repeat) All the ladies lemme hear you say "Dick ain't nuttin' but meat on the bone Suck it or **** it or leave it alone!" (the ladies repeat)
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LadyKate wrote:
Well, it's really beyond gross and I don't offend that easily with profanity and stuff but, for example, go read the lyrics to "No Hands" by Roscoe Dash:
Spoiler:
Can't you tell, goose we been spent fifty stacks so **** it Well I'm tryna to hit the hotel with two girls that's wide awake Take this dick and swallow bay mascato got her freaky Hey you got me in a trans, you take of yo pants You pussy pop on a handstand you got me sweating please pass me a fan DAMN!!
I can't believe there are kids, yes kids, actually listening to this. This is beyond an F-you here are and there or old school allusions to getting laid, this is hard core NASTY, explicit, stuff and that was one of the more mild songs.
Not to be pedantic, but where have you been, LK?
I can't really relate to the music. Hip-hop is all about being the coolest person in the room, which I have never been. And I don't know why anyone would pay money to listen a song about how you just bought them a boat, and they're AWESOME.
Also, move to entertainment or rants imo.
_________________ "...the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?" -Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Well, it's really beyond gross and I don't offend that easily with profanity and stuff but, for example, go read the lyrics to "No Hands" by Roscoe Dash:
Spoiler:
Can't you tell, goose we been spent fifty stacks so **** it Well I'm tryna to hit the hotel with two girls that's wide awake Take this dick and swallow bay mascato got her freaky Hey you got me in a trans, you take of yo pants You pussy pop on a handstand you got me sweating please pass me a fan DAMN!!
I can't believe there are kids, yes kids, actually listening to this. This is beyond an F-you here are and there or old school allusions to getting laid, this is hard core NASTY, explicit, stuff and that was one of the more mild songs.
Also, move to entertainment or rants imo.
I won't move it without LK's request... Can move things to Hellfire without the OPs request, but moving them away from Hellfire seems a bit off- she obviously wanted it here for a reason, not like she's new to the board. I just can't fathom why, especially since she doesn't usually like posting here.
_________________ Darksiege: You are not a god damned vulcan homie.
Consider the possibility that this was brought to Kate's attention by an old lady at church ***** about the decaying moral fabric of society, and it starts to look very much like a Hellfire issue.
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That's why I stick to nerd-core hip hop.
