The Glade 4.0

1. Look up fascism.
2. Look up how it controls corporations.
3. Understand.

I know you won't do any of it so just lie and say you did.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

Are you going to answer the meat of my post or not?

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Begging the question. I see no evidence that it is so regulated.



Again, begging the question. You've pointed out no such absurdity. In fact, you made a non sequiter argument, and then, when it was clearly explained why the 10th ammendment doesn't apply, you just repeated yourself and said "I should listen to myself" rather than make any attempt to explain your position. This is highly consistent with your history of simply ignoring the facts in favor of appealing to your own authority.



False. I don't believe the government can go beyond any restriction because it has the power to spend. That's a strawman of my argument. My position is that it is a power of Congress to spend money, without restriction.

This is why you can't win this argument: you're not addressing the fact that there is no stated restriction in the first place; you're just assuming it exists, contrary to both explicit text and precedent. The restriction is one purely of your own invention. We're not discussing how you think things should be; we're discussing how they are. I think I've made it perfectly celar that I think an ammendment limiting spending to enumerated powers would be a good idea, but the bottom line is tht you haven't got a leg to stand on in asserting its a violation of the Constitution now.

My prediction is that this will be 10 pages of you restating your position different ways, making snarky comments, and generally impuning me and anyone else who disagrees over ephemeral and vague assertions about "principles" and such. During that time you will utterly fail to prove that any such restriction exists. In fact, your attempt so far is simply a circular argument:

"Spending is restricted to enumerated powers. WE know this, because if Congress can spend money on anything, then they can breach any restriction on their powers"

It's just one fallacy after another from you. There will be no reasoned argument, only attempts at proof by assertion....hmmm...

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

As we've pointed out to you DE - amendment 10.

I'm done with this though. You've obviously no intention to hold yourself to a rational standard on this subject. The evidence and logic is before if only you look.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

No they didn't. They had consequences with people who held equities or CDO's from these entities. Everyone who was affect necessarily was by choice: you don't have the right to investments and the investments don't have a right to profit. We take for granted what our 401K's and IRA actually are. They don't have a guarantee to profit.



No, that temporarily brought some relief and further exacerbated underlying economic imbalances.

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

Why do people keep getting reported for posting warez and pirated software?

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

There are only two possible answers to that question. I'm not sure which is correct.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

This is really beginning to become a complete bunch of bullshit.

These reports where the person reporting cannot even be bothered to report the believed infraction correctly; and where the issue is really too much of a soft skin.

I realize the mods are just doing their job but the underlying cause is **** bullshit.

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

Sorry 'bout that. I read his post and thought he was offering me a h4x0r3d version of Microsoft Office.

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The Dude abides.

Securitized debt surely holds water; it has for decades and will continue to do so.



I'm sure that the irresponsible decisions that actually caused failures aren't the ones you're thinking of, here's a hint: Those decisions had more to do with political power and the racism of low expectations than getting "rich very very quickly".



The congresspeople who voted for the bailouts and the people who actually pay taxes bailed them out the "we" you're using doesn't apply as you intend.



The fact that the Federal Government is unilaterally disregarding contract law, imposing economic regimentation, and suppressing dissent surely makes it fascism, whether you understand that or not.


Your use of "our" is the same as your use of "we" above - incorrect.



That may very well be true, but the accuracy of your analogy ends there.

"They" wouldn't have forced "them" to take their money.

"They" wouldn't have refused to accept attempted repayment of "their" money.

The payment of bills implies a due date that has passed, otherwise there would be nothing due for "they" to go after "them"; no due date has passed for the TARP funds.

The methods of collection would be directly related to payment of money owed, "they" would have to do so under the law, no in direct contraversion of established law.



See, statements like the above make it clear that you would benefit from the knowledge you obviously lack. People with a passing knowledge of history have long list of things, people, and places that come to mind when someone mentions Fascism. I, for one think of Italy post WWI. Since that's where the word is derived, and that's what Mussolini named his organization: Fasci italiani di combattimento, which, in turn, became his party: Partito Nazionale Fascista. See the words there?

Simply because a person, or a certain group of like minded people think as you assert, doesn't make it so.

You'll notice I use a capital "F"? You used a lower-case "f" which doesn't make me even think of all-encompassing political movements, but of incremental steps toward a state of governmental being; which would lead a person of intelligence to believe that Nazi's are not even in the same room as the poster's intent.



To reiterate: Simply because a person, or a certain group of like minded people think as you assert, doesn't make it so.

Consider the "meat" of your post, as well as the ignorance inherent in your ridiculous assertion (it is obvious that you are doing what Godwin attempted to reign in with his counter-meme), addressed.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

I actually thought the stuff about warez wad a joke at first.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

I reported his post, and I'm not afraid to admit it. In my opinion, his last statement was a clear personal attack on my integrity. I am surprised that DFK did not agree with my assessment, given his ferocious defense of his own integrity when anyone even comes close to impugning it.

There is a drop down box at the top that is easy to miss if you are on the go. The text provided with the report was clear. I am surprised DFK missed the explaination of the report.

I will continue to report posts I find to be offensive, aggressive, or consider to be a personal attack, against me or another poster. If the mods don't buy it, there isn't anything I can do about it.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Who did it wasn't in question I'm sure.

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

I was growing weary of everyone beating around the bush about it.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

There you go blaming bush again....

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

And this, for the record, is why I reported the post. Elmo clearly did exactly what the bolded portion of this statement reads, so I reported his post. Clearly, DFK did not agree with me, though I am baffled as to why. But, he's the mod, so that's the way it goes.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Because you're wrong?

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Holy shitsnacks!

He certainly thought so. I did not. Again, I am just explaining why I reported the post. When Elmo said -



he was clearly extending criticism to the poster, and not the posts. *shrug* YMMV.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

The wise might think that finding such as that unfairly critical would perhaps be a step down a path better left untrod.

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Which, to me, is irrelevant. The rules are pretty clear. The process is laid out for us, and I simply followed it. While I might disagree with the final decision, that doesn't change why I reported the post, or why I might do so in the future. If he repeated the same post, I would report it again, as I feel it clearly violates the bolded sentence above.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Edited for you, Monty to give a better picture as I see it.

We actually forced most of the companies to take bailout money - at least the financials.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

Again with the godwins.

Just to get this straight -



That's not correct. They made the products becasue regulations were lax, or because they found loopholes in existing regulations. Blaming government for their underhandedness is an inaccurate misplacement of blame.




That is a hideously dissapointing misrepresentation of the truth. That particular myth was entirely debunked, twice if I remember correctly, on the previous board.

I remember when the conservatives on the tee vee immediately went off, blaming minorities for the crisis, and then not correcting themselves when it was shown to be utter bunk.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

It was never shown to be bunk at all.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."