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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:03 pm 
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Moving Fringe to the "Friday Night Death-Slot." :(

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I formally apologize. I was just about to finish the second season, thus ready to set in on the 7 episodes on my DVR for this season thus far.

My being caught up and watching Fox shows on TV is a well-documented death knell to a series.

Speaking of -- let me guess; they're cancelling "The Good Guys" to make room?

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That sucks, Fringe is my 2nd fav show on TV right now, and fri night will mean i'll miss it :/


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Sasandra wrote:
fri night will mean i'll miss it :/


Sadly, this is what fox doesn't understand. Moving a moderately successful show to Fridays will not cause people to stay home to watch it, thereby boosting friday night ratings. Instead, the show will lose half its viewers and get cancelled.

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This makes me a sad panda :(

The Good Guys is imho the best show on TV currently.

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This is too bad, Fringe has finally really come into it's own. This season has been GREAT. Let's hope Tivo keeps it alive!


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This is too bad, Fringe has finally really come into it's own. This season has been GREAT. Let's hope Tivo keeps it alive!


Time shifted recordings are not counted in the neilsen ratings.

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Müs wrote:
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This is too bad, Fringe has finally really come into it's own. This season has been GREAT. Let's hope Tivo keeps it alive!


Time shifted recordings are not counted in the neilsen ratings.


Looks like they're starting to be, at least, if you watch it within 7 days of DVR-ing it. Online viewings are being counted as well (albeit in a less weighted form).

Look at the data on page 2!

http://nymag.com/arts/tv/features/68805/


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Well, its a step. But its not till next spring.

DVRs and internet streaming have been available for how many years?

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Well, its a step. But its not till next spring.

DVRs and internet streaming have been available for how many years?


Yup, but we're talking about a company that was set up in 1950 to monitor TV. Can you imagine the red tape and bureaucracy in that place? It must be astounding. It sounds like from the article that the TV companies have been screaming for this for a while.


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It isn't just Neilsen that is the hold up. Would you agree to have an outside company install monitoring software on all your home electronics connected to the internet?

Most people have a hard enough time with the equipment that monitors the TV channels.


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This article gives me some hope.

http://www.deadline.com/2010/11/foxs-ke ... more-85843

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As for the decision to bump Fringe to Fridays where no scripted Fox series has survived in a long time, "Fringe has a very particular, loyal audience," Reilly said. With the show picking up almost half of its viewership via DVR, he doesn't expect the sci-fi series to take a big ratings hit in moving to Fridays where it will be paired with solid reality performer Kitchen Nightmares. "If (Fringe) could stay near the current levels, we'll get a big trade-up on Friday and will solve our problem there."


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So..... where does The Good Guys go again? :(

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It isn't just Neilsen that is the hold up. Would you agree to have an outside company install monitoring software on all your home electronics connected to the internet?

Most people have a hard enough time with the equipment that monitors the TV channels.


No, but they wouldn't have to do that. I'm sure the monitoring could be done server side.

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It isn't, its done client side, since the systems require verification of who is actually using the resource, and the verification needs to be updated at a fairly frequent schedule.

I'm not even sure how you would coordinate doing it server side, given how many sources of information, IPS, vendors, etc exist out there, and how you would track a user across all those domains. That is unless you mean tracking at the original source only (say NBC.com), which won't work for the obvious reason it doesn't allow the collection of the valid information, and would cause serious problems with collecting demographic information.

If you elect to participate as a Neilson endpoint, they take down information such as sex, age, etc and give each person in the household an identifier number. For the TV side, when you turn on the TV, their monitoring station flashes until you enter the number on the supplied remote that corresponds to the viewer (usually by age, so oldest in the family is 1, next is 2, etc).

Every 45 minutes or so, if no changes have been made, the system asks for verification that the information is correct.


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It isn't, its done client side, since the systems require verification of who is actually using the resource, and the verification needs to be updated at a fairly frequent schedule.

I'm not even sure how you would coordinate doing it server side, given how many sources of information, IPS, vendors, etc exist out there, and how you would track a user across all those domains. That is unless you mean tracking at the original source only (say NBC.com), which won't work for the obvious reason it doesn't allow the collection of the valid information, and would cause serious problems with collecting demographic information.

If you elect to participate as a Neilson endpoint, they take down information such as sex, age, etc and give each person in the household an identifier number. For the TV side, when you turn on the TV, their monitoring station flashes until you enter the number on the supplied remote that corresponds to the viewer (usually by age, so oldest in the family is 1, next is 2, etc).

Every 45 minutes or so, if no changes have been made, the system asks for verification that the information is correct.


Which is overly complex and arcane. A DVR box only needs communicate what's being watched on what box at what time. Same thing with internet viewing. Forex: Episode 8, season 3 of House downloaded 26,374,213 times on 17,324,193 unique IPs. Watched by 11,232,432 Cable Boxes, and DVRed 9,439,435 times.

Oh ****! House must be popular! Its not exactly rocket science.

I was asked to participate in a neilsen ratings thing. Tossed the book out when I read that they don't count timeshifted viewing. Literally EVERYTHING I watch is timeshifted. (Well, except for football. But that doesn't really count. They're not going to cancel the NFL on Sunday.)

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Müs, except Nielsen isn't in the business of just counting viewership.

It's in the demographics business. It wants/needs to know how old the viewers are, what their income range is, etc. It makes its money by creating data that the Networks can use to price and target their advertising sales.

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Pfft. Like anyone watches ads anymore.

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First Friday Fringe finishes with fabulous figures for Fox.

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See? That's right, geeks don't go out on Fridays, Fox. Or something.

It was a pretty strong episode, too.

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Kaffis Mark V wrote:
See? That's right, geeks don't go out on Fridays, Fox. Or something.

It was a pretty strong episode, too.

PS: **** you Fox for killing The Good Guys. Glad to see that Fringe is making a comeback.

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Did they kill The Good Guys? I thought it had finished out its season, and would be back again in the summer?

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Kaffis Mark V wrote:
Did they kill The Good Guys? I thought it had finished out its season, and would be back again in the summer?

They were flagging it as the series finale...

Yep, confirmed:
http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/the-g ... two-18951/

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http://www.cnn.com/2011/SHOWBIZ/TV/03/2 ... ?hpt=Sbin#

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(EW.com) -- Excellent news for "Fringe" fans: The drama has been picked up for a fourth season. The cat was let out of the bag this afternoon when J.H. Wyman, an executive producer on the Fox drama, tweeted this to fans: "ÿþFringe was picked up!!!! Thanks Fringedom!"

A network spokeswoman confirmed the show received a full season pickup.

EW.com: 'Fringe' recap: Soul vampires take over!

Word of the pickup comes after the drama fell to its lowest rating ever last Friday. It dropped 13% to 3.8 million viewers and a 1.3 rating in the adult demo.

In defense, ratings had been falling all week because of the time change (more daylight in the early evening tends to result in fewer people watching TV). And CBS was airing college basketball.

Critical praise for the drama has never been stronger and its performance on Fridays is still better than how the network was doing on the night in the fall.

EW.com: 'Fringe': First look at Friday's episode 'Bloodline'

In fact, Fox reports that "Fringe" is the No. 1 show on the night this season -- across both broadcast and cable -- and that the drama has improved the network's average on the night by 38%.

See the original article at EW.com.

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