The Glade 4.0

Any reasonable person would. However, you know as well as I do that some people are dicks and will do anything to push the envelope.

Hopefully it won't come to pass and I'm wrong. However the way things are moving I'm not so sure. If I'm right I can expect you all to rush to my aid then right?

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

I am referring not to your pastor. Apologies if you thought I was. I am specifically referring to the charges repeatedly brought against the catholic church.

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

Fair enough. Point I'm trying to make is I want to reach some common ground here. I don't want to see the situation devolve the way it has with public prayer. There is an argue to be made that forcing students to pray was bad, but that's led to preventing students from praying which is worse.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

This is complete bullshit.

There has never been at any school that I'm aware of specifically preventing a student from praying. There were several kids in my schools growing up that said grace at lunch, or probably had some prayer before a test.

The only thing that has been argued is that it is not appropriate for the schools to setup some organized prayer time, regardless of what flimsy euphamism it gets labeled as to mollify the religious.

We've discussed it here before. I'll dig up a link.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

http://www.christianpost.com/article/20 ... at-school/

http://www.christiantelegraph.com/issue10841.html

http://greensboring.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=8025

http://www.tauntongazette.com/news/x190 ... g-of-Jesus

http://theundergroundsite.com/index.php ... eech-11279

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/05/23/s ... to-school/

None of these are the example I'm looking for but all are examples of people being booted from public school for personal expressions of faith. I'm not trying to change the debate here, just using the example to explain my concerns.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

Re-read your third link. Its
a) about a teacher
b) the teacher was not removed
c) The teacher BURNED A CROSS INTO THE SKIN OF A STUDENT

The Fourth is about a student trying to use a school function (graduation) to prosteltize--a decision the courts upheld. The student was not removed, but wasn't allowed to speak at graduation because she refused to change her speech.

still reading

The only example in your list that is even remotely close is the last one where the kid was booted for the rosary beads.

The kid who drew jesus on the crusifix is an over reaction, but not based on religious descrimination.

It's unfortunate that you can't apparently see why the other "examples" are completely irrelevant and actually good rulings on the part of the schools. School is not the appropriate place for proselytizing. Preventing that is not religious discrimination.

Lemme fix that for you, so you don't sound like the biggest hypocrite this forum has ever seen.

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You're not making sense.

Really? Because I see evidence all over this forum on a regular basis that people are being taught a singular political "reality" in the United States and other major nations. But, then, those of us who call the educative systems out on that practice are labelled "heretics" and "conspiracy theorists".

Your first sentence is, by default, made null and void by actual teaching practices.

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Yes, really. And your follow up hasn't made yourself any more clear.

Please just come out and say what you think it going on. What is this singular political "reality" that you're talking about.

Aizle:

Is Global Warming a verifiable fact?

Did Abraham Lincoln suspend Habeus Corpus?

Did FDR save the United States with the New Deal?

Are George W. Bush's tax cuts singularly responsible for deficit shortfalls with the Federal Budget?

Was the Civil War only over Slavery?

Is Secession from the United States illegal?

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Quoted again, because apparently you can't read.

Don't ask questions, make statements.

Aizle:

I made a statement. You're feigning ignorance because you don't like the notion that our education system engages in deliberate propaganda. Of course, I think you're just more upset by the fact that answering any of those questions demonstrates precisely the kind of proselytizing you're laying at the feet of religion.

So, while I may not agree with Rorinthas on a few things, you might just want to back the **** off. His religion is a hell of a lot less harmful than yours.

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People should be allowed to express themselves however they want as long as it isn't disruptive. However, in my opinion they should also be taught that their religious faiths are wrong.

No, actually I'm pretty confident that I remember from school that sentences ending in a question mark are called questions, not statements.

I'm not feigning ignorance. I'm trying to get you to actually make a positive statement about what you believe is happening, instead of asking a bunch of leading questions.

And the education system has been engaged in deliberate propaganda for centuries, this is nothing new.

Funny how that sounds suspiciously like my original statement and my longer explanation. Next time you want to feign ignorance, don't be so careless.

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I think you should appreciate that, instead of making a statement, he gave the examples you would have demanded to support his statement.

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You still haven't said anything. You've made a bunch of inferences and allusions, but no statements. Until such time that you decide to actually say what you mean, instead of imply, I really don't have anything more to comment other than I never feigned ignorance of anything.