The Glade 4.0

Has this been posted already?

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“Strong people are harder to kill than weak people, and more useful in general”. - Mark Rippetoe

Great book, trailer looks decent, but we'll see. Part One? Makes sense, its too long and big a story for just one movie.

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

Uh, it looks kinda like a parody to me. It's not (I read a few articles a couple of months ago about its filming and release), but the stilted, melodramatic dialogue about economic intricacies, coupled with the overbearing music...it's like The Phantom Menace (two hours of trade disputes!) without aliens.

I dunno, it might turn out to be good. I'm just saying that the trailer looks like one of those recognizable-actor-studded-but-unamusing Funny or Die videos.

While I liked Atlas Shrugged, I don't know if it's great writing. I was interested in learning about Objectivisim, and that helped me past the very slow start. I became more interested in the characters, but it definitely wasn't immediate. Rand is using the story to explain her philosophy, but then Galt has this huge monologue at the end that's like 80 **** pages that basically explains again everything the book has been about. She does this in Fountainhead as well...

"The question stops being 'Who is John Galt?' and becomes 'When will John Galt shut up?'"

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"...the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?" -Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

I heard some crazy back story to this movie. Supposedly the dude who made it bought the rights in the early 90's. To stop them from expiring he basically had to make this... now. Made it for ~5 mil. At one point he was going to direct and star as John Galt.

Not expecting much but now I feel like I should check it out if I can. Just to see how good or bad it will be.

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“Strong people are harder to kill than weak people, and more useful in general”. - Mark Rippetoe

My favorite story about Objectivism is "Bioshock."

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Les Zombis et les Loups-Garous!

/groan

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"...the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?" -Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

anti-groan

/actually takes into account human nature

If you believe people are generally ****. I think people are generally good. YMMV.

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"...the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?" -Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

I think people are generally people.

And the acting is perfect for the story. Its like saying batman is dark. Yes, thats the damn point.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

I don't.

I ask myself this question: "If the world were to suddenly suffer an enormous catastrophe.... something akin to where there is absolutely no electricity anywhere, commerce was brought to a halt, government facilities and protection were shot to hell, and all you had to live on were your emergency stockpiles... what would happen?" I believe, with every fibre of my being, that even a regular, average, decent person will devolve when faced with a life that affects his comfort and potentially his survival. I believe that your average decent Joe will turn into a "It's either me or you!" type of person, and will do whatever he can to survive; consequences, courtesies, and ethics be damned.

I see flashes of this in people every day, especially when doing something simple like shopping or driving a car. Discourtesies to other people that are seemingly minor, to me, paint me a much larger picture of who a person truly is beneath it all.

I live in a state who's dominant religion teaches (over and over) that all of it's members should have at least a year's supply-worth of emergency necessities such as food, water, toiletries, etc. So while maybe 1 house in 20 may have something like that, I ask myself "If all of the neighbors know Mr. Jones has food while they themselves don't.... what would they do?" If a person didn't give a **** enough to think about you when he cut you off while driving, if he's forced with a choice of survival and comfort, what is stopping him from coming in and taking what he wants by force? I think a lot of people think that those are two unrelated behaviors, but again... when it comes down to survival, life itself, I don't think they're that different and an extreme life-changing condition will bring out an extreme behavior.

In my mind, no emergency food storage is complete unless it contains shotguns and a year's supply of ammunition.

But, as you said, YMMV. And again, this is all my personal and likely unchangeable beliefs and I am very well-aware that they are not in sync with others'.

Anyway, back to the topic on-hand.

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Les Zombis et les Loups-Garous!

As a species, we've only gotten this far because we work together. Like it or not, we're all dependant on others for one reason or another. We accomplish much more working together. It's called enlightened self interest. Helping others achieve their goals can help you reach yours. And if you appreicate others, you might even enjoy helping them. YMMV.

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"...the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?" -Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Numbuk,
No man is an island.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

/wants to buy an island and name it "Noman"

Oh I completely agree that, historically, the human race has had to help each other to survive. I just feel that because of the conveniences of modern technology that the human race is far less dependent on each other (at least perceptively) and, because of this, humans have become a bit more selfish and self-centered, as well as extremely lazy. These attitudes are what breed and feed the entitlement and "I'm in it only for me" point of view that I wholeheartedly believe would arise in the event of a life-changing catastrophic event.

I watched documentary on the Amish a few weeks back, and while a lot of people tend to mock and laugh at them... I can respect them a lot. They truly have not forgotten about how vital it is to help another in your community, and what it is to get satisfaction from an honest day's labor. If we had such a catastrophic event that I spoke of, the Amish would be one of the few people on this continent that it wouldn't phase.

I would love to believe that the human race would rise up above such a challenge. I want to believe it. But the realist in me shakes his head when I look at him with hopeful eyes.

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Les Zombis et les Loups-Garous!

Those of us that can cooperate will rise above, those that can't be bothered will fade away.

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"...the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?" -Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Whenever I see/say that line, I think of this:

No man is an island, and so is Norman.


This one is less fun for me, for some reason:

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

The human race would survive, even prosper, but many individuals wouldn't.

edit: Wow, that's wacky. The "system" keeps adding "[/quote][/quote]" at the end of my post, am I doing something wrong?

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

But, but...Armin Shimerman!

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When he's underwater does he get wet? Or does the water get him instead?