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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:25 am 
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Well that's fairly admirable, but just like the liberals ignoring these crimes, I just don't see conservatives calling for the prosecution of conservative politicians if the vote were about, say, abortion.


If we can find some examples of Republicans running away I promise to denounce it, but as it stands now the running away is a solidly Dem tactic.

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Be honest - If the issue was something you felt strongly about, and a group of lawmakers skipped town to avoid a vote that would almost surely result in the issue going against you, would you call for their prosecution?
Yes. The Rule of Law matters more than my opinion on the position.


Or like DOMA we can just let the Prez call it unconstuitional and direct Holder to stop defending it. So instead of going through the judiciary like its supposed to, AGAIN Obama is doing a run around the checks and balances system. I can't wait until someone uses this tatic with Roe v Wade.

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DOMA is virtually impossible to challenge in court, that was one of the law's major selling points.


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DOMA is virtually impossible to challenge in court, that was one of the law's major selling points.


Oh ok, that totally makes it right as rain. :shock: /facepalm.

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Be honest - If the issue was something you felt strongly about, and a group of lawmakers skipped town to avoid a vote that would almost surely result in the issue going against you, would you call for their prosecution?
Yes. The Rule of Law matters more than my opinion on the position.


Or like DOMA we can just let the Prez call it unconstuitional and direct Holder to stop defending it. So instead of going through the judiciary like its supposed to, AGAIN Obama is doing a run around the checks and balances system. I can't wait until someone uses this tatic with Roe v Wade.


Checks and balances does not require the Executive to defend any congressional law. Actually, checks and balances provides for the opposite. Congress, should they wish to defend it, can provide a lawyer to do so.


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So directing the AG to not address this issue is correct? Again, I have zero at stake on the issue other than it sets an easily abuseable precident.

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So directing the AG to not address this issue is correct? Again, I have zero at stake on the issue other than it sets an easily abuseable precident.


If the Justice Department believes the law is unconstitutional, they need not defend it. This does not prevent Congress from defending it.

There is already a precedent for this.


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Just as a note: Khross would you be in favor of arresting Abraham Lincoln for his attempt at Quarum busting?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quorum-bus ... um-busting


I was looking for more examples, but It does seem (by anecdotal evidence only) that lately this has been primarily a democratic tactic.


However, at least two of the examples cited in the wiki article (the Texas Redistricting and the current protest) were preceeded by what was perceived as other legislative 'dirty tricks' (Gerrymandering mid-cycle, the snap-vote on in the Assembly)


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Times were different, you can't really say who should be arrested or not.


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Abraham Lincoln did quite a few things for which he should have been prosecuted. He did at least two for which he should have been hung.

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He did at least two for which he should have been hung.


Why? It's not fair to hang people when they mess something up at their jobs.


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Define "mess up" as it relates to Khrosss exqmple.

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Define "mess up" as it relates to Khrosss exqmple.


I really don't care about the specific example. People shouldn't be killed when they perform poorly at a work-related task.


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I believe that Khross is accusing Lincoln of high treason.


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I believe that Khross is accusing Lincoln of high treason.


He was in a very tough situation. It's like walking on glass. He shouldn't be killed for whatever decisions he made.


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So you advocate genocide without concequence?

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So you advocate genocide without concequence?


I never said without consequence. Just without the death penalty.


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So you advocate genocide without concequence?

Genocide really? I don't think you understand what that term means. We can all agree that history has been re-written by both sides about Lincoln a great deal as we try to uncover what happened. But it wasn't genocide. It may have even been an illegal war. We can argue the merits if Lincoln was justified in suspending habeas corpus. But when you use loaded language, unjustifiably so, then you really have lost the argument before you've made your case.


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So you advocate genocide without concequence?

Genocide really? I don't think you understand what that term means. We can all agree that history has been re-written by both sides about Lincoln a great deal as we try to uncover what happened. But it wasn't genocide. It may have even been an illegal war. We can argue the merits if Lincoln was justified in suspending habeas corpus. But when you use loaded language, unjustifiably so, then you really have lost the argument before you've made your case.


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Lex Luthor wrote:
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I believe that Khross is accusing Lincoln of high treason.


He was in a very tough situation. It's like walking on glass. He shouldn't be killed for whatever decisions he made.


And yet he was, albeit as illegally as his actions were.

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So you advocate genocide without concequence?

Genocide really? I don't think you understand what that term means. We can all agree that history has been re-written by both sides about Lincoln a great deal as we try to uncover what happened. But it wasn't genocide. It may have even been an illegal war. We can argue the merits if Lincoln was justified in suspending habeas corpus. But when you use loaded language, unjustifiably so, then you really have lost the argument before you've made your case.



I wasn't talking about Lincoln. Think about what he said.

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Lex Luthor wrote:
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So you advocate genocide without concequence?


I never said without consequence. Just without the death penalty.


Killing those you quite literally lord over isn't cause enough for death yourself?

Why?

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Rynar wrote:
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So you advocate genocide without concequence?


I never said without consequence. Just without the death penalty.


Killing those you quite literally lord over isn't cause enough for death yourself?

Why?


I agree that it is unacceptable behavior. But once removed from power these people are no longer a threat to society, and harming them just serves some sadistic purpose in people's minds.


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Rynar wrote:
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So you advocate genocide without concequence?

Genocide really? I don't think you understand what that term means. We can all agree that history has been re-written by both sides about Lincoln a great deal as we try to uncover what happened. But it wasn't genocide. It may have even been an illegal war. We can argue the merits if Lincoln was justified in suspending habeas corpus. But when you use loaded language, unjustifiably so, then you really have lost the argument before you've made your case.



I wasn't talking about Lincoln. Think about what he said.

Ok, fair enough then. And I see where you were going with it now.


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