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 Post subject: F*ck China
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The Badaltearing Safari Park in China keeps a pair of moon bears in cages so small that they are unable to turn around. The Daily Mail reported in January 2008 that one of them appeared to have gone insane and spends its time shaking its head and banging into the sides of the cage. Zoo visitors can throw live goats into the lions' enclosure and watch them being eaten, or can purchase live chickens tied to bamboo rods for the equivalent of 2 dollars\euros to dangle into lion pens. Visitors can drive through the lion's compound on buses with specially designed chutes leading into the enclosure into which they can push live chickens.

In the Xiongsen Bear and Tiger Mountain Village near Guilin in south-east China, live cows and pigs are thrown to tigers to amuse visitors. In the Qingdao zoo, visitors engage in "tortoise baiting", where tortoises are kept inside small rooms with elastic bands round their necks, so that they are unable to retract their heads. Visitors then throw coins at them. The marketing claim is that if you hit one of them on the head and make a wish, it will be fulfilled.
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I take it you're a vegan now? Or else a hypocrite.
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The moon bears in cages too small for them to turn around or the tortoises who can't retract their heads and are targets for thrown coins are both problematic.

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Holy crap, there's moon bears? That's AWESOME!!
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Harming animals that aren't a threat is problematic, and so is keeping them in poor condition. This applies to millions of animals in the U.S. Animals don't know or care whether you plan on eating them, so that's no excuse.
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The mistreatment of animals in the food industry is grossly exaggerated by vegan groups.

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The mistreatment of animals in the food industry is grossly exaggerated by vegan groups.


Perhaps, but they're especially mistreated when they are killed.
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Lex Luthor wrote:
I take it you're a vegan now? Or else a hypocrite.


So, there's no moral difference between murder and manslaughter? How about between unintentionally killing civilians in a war and deliberately targeting them? Civilian casualties are inevitable in war, so are pacifism and hypocrisy the only choices? More on point - do you believe a person who takes medicine that was tested on animals is no different than a person who poisons animals because they like watching them die?

Someone who eats meat is simply not on the same moral plane as someone who gets a kick out of tossing a live goat into a lion pit and watching it get ripped apart.
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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
Holy crap, there's moon bears?


It sounds exciting, but it's really just the the balance/feral hybrid spec. :? Way underpowered.

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Vladimirr wrote:
Arathain Kelvar wrote:
Holy crap, there's moon bears?


It sounds exciting, but it's really just the the balance/feral hybrid spec. :? Way underpowered.


Moon bear?

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Moon bear?


Better those than Moon Cats...

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I object strongly to using the deaths of animals as a form of entertainment when they aren't also being used as food or something, but quite frankly, I don't think China's treatment of animals at its zoos is our business. We have plenty of more pressing problems.. even more pressing problems pertaining to China than a couple moon bears.

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Corolinth wrote:
The moon bears in cages too small for them to turn around or the tortoises who can't retract their heads and are targets for thrown coins are both problematic.


I agree with this. The rest of it I am meh about at best.

and holy crap... these **** just look wrong. It is the front paws and no back legs I know it is.

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I will admit; however, that when they said Moon Bears I immediately thought of this:
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Corolinth wrote:
The mistreatment of animals in the food industry is grossly exaggerated by vegan groups.


Perhaps, but they're especially mistreated when they are killed.

No, you're properly treating something tasty.

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Moonbear must be stopped! I'm super cereal!

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RangerDave wrote:
Wikipedia wrote:
The Badaltearing Safari Park in China keeps a pair of moon bears in cages so small that they are unable to turn around. The Daily Mail reported in January 2008 that one of them appeared to have gone insane and spends its time shaking its head and banging into the sides of the cage. Zoo visitors can throw live goats into the lions' enclosure and watch them being eaten, or can purchase live chickens tied to bamboo rods for the equivalent of 2 dollars\euros to dangle into lion pens. Visitors can drive through the lion's compound on buses with specially designed chutes leading into the enclosure into which they can push live chickens.

In the Xiongsen Bear and Tiger Mountain Village near Guilin in south-east China, live cows and pigs are thrown to tigers to amuse visitors. In the Qingdao zoo, visitors engage in "tortoise baiting", where tortoises are kept inside small rooms with elastic bands round their necks, so that they are unable to retract their heads. Visitors then throw coins at them. The marketing claim is that if you hit one of them on the head and make a wish, it will be fulfilled.

When a country does forced abortion, the keeping of a couple of bears immobile should:
1. not surprise you.
2. be kind of low on your priority list.

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One child per family. They could always kill the one outside the womb if that's preferable to abortion.

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Six of one half a dozen of the other as far as I am concerned really. Point I was trying to make though was they aren't really a country interested in the liberty of anyone or anything thing. So something like a couple of bears seems an odd straw to be breaking the camel's back so to speak.

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That should tell you something about the priorities of blue people.

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I'm aware, but I don't think it's just blue people. Also I was trying to be tactful about that point.

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Corolinth wrote:
That should tell you something about the priorities of blue people.

Heh. Yes, because red people are famous for their concern about international human rights issues. ;)

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When a country does forced abortion, the keeping of a couple of bears immobile should:
1. not surprise you.
2. be kind of low on your priority list.

No argument on point 1, but point 2 is kind of a pet peeve of mine. I never said anything about priorities or about this being worse than anything else the Chinese government does. If I had to choose between changing China's zoo regulations or its (de facto) forced abortion policy, I'd change the latter. However, that doesn't mean I can't be legitimately disgusted by the former until the latter has been addressed.
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RangerDave wrote:
Corolinth wrote:
That should tell you something about the priorities of blue people.

Heh. Yes, because red people are famous for their concern about international human rights issues. ;)


Question 1)
Who do you think spends more on foreign aid?
Christian charities in America or the United States Government

Question 2)
Who do you think has more bodies on the ground in foreign countries doing charitable/humanitarian efforts?
Christian charities in America or the United States Government

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On a totally unrelated note, **** China would make a great title for a porn movie.

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Corolinth wrote:
On a totally unrelated note, **** China would make a great title for a porn movie.

I wouldn't see it.

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Corolinth wrote:
On a totally unrelated note, **** China would make a great title for a porn movie.


Would be a long movie.

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