The Glade 4.0

consensually, with his girlfriend.

(I didn't know whether to post this in the Sports forum, or here. I chose here, since the subject is religion and I know how that can go south.)

That's right. Brandon Davies, the leading rebounder and third leading scorer for the #3 ranked BYU basketball team, was kicked off the team for having premarital sex with his girlfriend. Apparently, he broke their code of conduct by admitting to having premarital sex. Currently, he's awaiting review from the school officials to determine if he's kicked entirely from the school for this absolutely unacceptable, immoral, evil, despicable behavior. Oh, and I almost forgot to mention their other points listed in their code of conduct. NO coffee. NO tea. And, as if it even needs to be mentioned, no alcohol or tobacco.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6175090

Thoughts?

Personally, I think it's a little overkill. Discipline the kid, or whatever you want, but don't kick him off the team for one slip up. The kid did not rape a girl. He did not do drugs. He did not steal anything. He had consensual sex, and had a guilty enough conscience to talk about it to someone, leading to him getting kicked off the team. Are we really making this big of news out of a college kid getting his d*ck wet? Seriously? I know it's a religious school, but is this even for real? For one, who is the school to say who he can and can't have sex with? How do they know he and this "girlfriend" aren't secretly married? They just assume he f'd a girl and he's kicked off the team. Did they see it happen? Is it just a rumor? How can you justify kicking a kid like this off a top three team in the country, based off something like this? Yes, he agreed to this "code of conduct" and decided to join BYU, but kicking a testosterone-charged kid off the basketball team is a little much. You know damn well the majority of people have premarital sex. To me, this is like someone who drives home drunk all the time scolding the kid who got a DUI...except this isn't illegal, like a DUI. It's just a *private* personal choice. If they are going to kick people out of school for this stuff, do they only kick people out when they find out through word of mouth? What about the rest of the 99% of the school that still sins on a regular basis, but don't have big names like Brandon Davies?

Honestly, this article seems like The Onion wrote it. I can't believe I'm actually seeing this on ESPN.

***In a related story, BYU officials are now investigating who this hoe is, so they can kick her sinful *** out of school as well.

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You answered this yourself:



I applaud them for sticking to their standards even though they have a top three team. It would be much easier to not do it in order to keep their ranking.


He told them.


He told them.



You answered this for yourself too:




Inorite? It's almost as if the ESPN writer didn't know that BYU is run by Mormons and that the Mormon religion disallows the use of those substances, or maybe he's just being a pandering hack.

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I find myself in 100% agreement with Vindi.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

Yep.

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I'm virtually certain he signed a paper saying he received a student handbook, that he read and understood it and is willing to abide by the principals therein.

He hasn't a leg to stand on. And yes I'd feel the same way about a contract that you feel is less in line with my beliefs.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

Dude agreed to BYU code of conduct. He violated her...er...I mean it. 'Nuff said. I'm sure if he has any eligibility left, he'll find some nice new digs, or go play in Europe or something.

I also agree with Vindi on this. When he accepted admission to this University he had to sign a contract with them accepting their terms in order to attend and to play basketball.

If you do not like the no sex rule... Go elsewhere, and do not agree to the term you do not intend to adhere to.

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Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

I don't care what archaic rules they have, he shouldn't be kicked off the team for this.

I fail to see how this is any more of a story than a crime blotter is. Live by any rules you agree to impose on yourself.

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Well, that doesn't surprise me one bit to be honest. Your posting history on this iteration of the Glade demonstrates a devout opposition to people having to accept responsibility for the decisions they make. I have my theories as to why, but I'm going to keep them to myself as I have no desire to drag your mental state through the mud.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

Not everyone has the same opinion but you don't have to be mean about it.

There are consequences when you sign and agree to a contract, and don't hold up your end. Doesn't matter how you personally feel about it, Lex, that's the point of having contracts.

They could still give him a break.

They could, but that's just asking for everyone else to automatically expect the same. He should have just kept his mouth shut, simple as that.

They could if they were so inclined. I don't know the situation and past experiences well enough to say they should. I'm just supporting their right to not give him one.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

I agree with the whole "you broke the contract, go away now" thing, even though I find the LDS attitudes toward premarital sex (and so many other things) utterly repellant, but I'm a little curious as to how far they (the school) will/can go in "investigating" stuff like this. Is it just "Did you have sex?" "Yes." "OK, buh-bye."? If he said "no," do they have to take him at his word? Bring in private investigators to take pictures? Do they go to the extent of ordering a barrage of medical tests (particularly if they know who the girlfriend is)? Does any girl with a broken hymen get automatically kicked out? Wow, a whole host of questions just opened up.

Also, because I stumbled across this as I was writing the post, "Womb fury" may be my new favorite phrase.

I don't know. I highly doubt they go around collecting hairs and swabbing for DNA though.

If he was maintaining his innocence I'd say he should sue or appeal, but he is not.

I fail to see how that's relevant to their authority to enforce standards.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

I already stated, explicitly, that it's their (IMO, ridiculous) call to make, as he granted them the absolute authority to do so while attending their university. So it's not relevant, it just sparked my curiosity. For some reason, it seems to me rather inappropriate for an educational institute to go much (if any) farther than "Billy, did you have sex with someone?" "No." "Well, OK then...run along, you little scamp!"

They also have the right to cancel the whole basketball program. It's irrelevant to use rights as the basis here.

No it isn't. In fact it's the entire point. They university is private, and has the right to make whatever code of conduct it pleases. If you choose to go there, you agree to it. In fact, if you choose to go to a strict Mormon university you should pretty much expect this sort of treatment.

Your personal disagreement with it is not a reason they should give him a break. You wouldn't kick him off your basketball team, but you're not a strict Mormon. Your lack of similar beliefs is not a reason they shouldn't adhere to theirs.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

They are perfectly within their rights to do this.

They're also stupid to do so. Some other school without such an idiotic code of conduct will snap him up and benefit from his skills, and hopefully he can escape from the cage of superstition he has thus-far based his life on.

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I thought he knocked his lady up?

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They are being mean and should not be doing this. Also I bet many of them are hypocrites and have fornicated as well. That's about all I have to say. Lastly, their beliefs are stupid. If someone told me "I don't walk on cracks on pavement" I would say that's stupid too.

None of these is a reason. All you're giving is your subjective assessment of their "meanness", your assumption that some unknown proportion of "them" are hypocrites, and your personal assertion that their beliefs are "stupid" based on some unstated standard.

That's the sort of argument a middle school kid would make.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Well, that's my opinion on this. I'm done here.