The Glade 4.0

No, none of that is racist. It's stereotyping.

Furthermore, when a bunch of them conform to the stereotype, that only confirms the accuracy of the stereotype as a rule of thumb. It may not be accurate in all cases, but it is still accurate often enough to represent a pattern.

The fact that their race is not the cause of the behavior is irrelevant. There is no "socio-economic situation of blacks" at all. Each is in his or her own situation. The average is not a cause of the behavior of individuals, except insofar as those individuals use that average as a justification for personal behavior. This is where the stereotype comes from. These people are told they have to conform to the stereotype because they are part of the group. They do, and that further reinforces the stereotype. The problem arises when people start claiming it's 'racist' to notice the stereotype.

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...and maybe prejudice, but it isn't racist. That' why words have meanings and those meanings lose something (important) when they are tossed around heedlessly, being applied to everything that is in the same braod catagory.

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its prejudice and stereotyping on the basis of race. it is racist.

More "pearls",eh?

Sorry, but this discussion doesn't involve racial superiority, much less genetic attribution. So no, you're still wrong, and we "swine" are still the ones with a full grasp of the word.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

And what if you're the same race as those you are making the statements about? Is it still racism?

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It's not racist. You and your fellow white guilt lib buddies are the problem when it comes to race issues. You don't even know the difference between racism and stereotyping.

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Riov, I would like to extend you an open invitation to our home in Columbus, Mississippi. I would love for you to come and stay a week with us. One week.
I will take you to the local movie theater where the black people hoot and holler and jump so much during the movie that you cannot see or hear a thing.
I will take you to Applebee's on Saturday night where every 'brother's girlfriend is coincidentally having her birthday that night so they can get the free dessert. (Every week!)
I will take you for a nice drive down the road in front of my house where young black women walk in the middle of the road, refuse to get to the side when you drive by, and holler at you to "hit me, hit me! I NEED a check! Hit me hit me!"
I'll take you out on my back porch to watch the children play and get yelled and beaten by their parents.
I will take you to Wal-Mart where you will see black women ignore screaming toddlers except to drag them by the arms and beat them and scream at them to shut up.
I'll take you to the Wal-Mart parking lot where black women send their little boys in to shoplift for them and get spanked if they get caught.
I'll show you thugs and their mommas who only get mad when they get caught and don't get paid.
I'll take you down the the local welfare office where white people who need food stamps on a temporary basis are being turned down and/or asked for a ridiculous amount of paperwork while black people get sent straight to the back, referred to by name, and get their food stamps with a handshake and a smile.
I'll show you places like the salvation army and helping hands and section 8 housing where a young single white mother trying to get through college (with no money, no time between studying to get a job) can get ZERO assistance from these places while able-bodied black men and women sitting on their BUTTS are enjoying free government "benefits."
I'll take you the local thrift store right around the corner from my home, run by two black women, where they had not payed rent in almost 6 months but kept their store because they are adamant that "Jesus wants them there hallelujah and cain't NOBODY take it away from them", where they work two hours, are off two hours for lunch, and work another hour and go home...because everything is donated and they just don't give a damn.
I'll take you to any playground with a basketball hoop and show you a group of unemployed black men drinking 40s, tossing broken glass and cigarette butts during the weekdays and making it impossible for any child to play ball.
I'll take you to Starkville, our sister city where I lived for 12 years, and show you a company required by the city to keep 600 jobs and I'll show you the black hiring manager who is also a preacher who recruits for jobs at his church during his sermons....good luck trying to get a job there if you are white.
I'll drive you through 5 neighborhoods in our small city that you don't want to be caught walking through just because of the color of your skin...you will be shot or mugged or beat up just because you are white.
Let me show you section 8 housing where kids are wearing threadbare clothing while the parents are driving cadillacs and vehicles with several hundred dollar rims and expensive sound systems.
Let me show you our public schools...where you will see the myth that children don't see color is debunked and that the black youth in middle and high school fit almost all of the stereotypes already and where white children get beat up on the bus for being white. (My son's oldest half-sister had this problem...she was getting ganged up on by several black girls on a daily basis.)
Come down here and see black men sitting on their butts during the day, drinking, playing basketball, selling drugs, having sex, buying their food with foodstamps and their beer and cigarettes with wads of 20s and 100s and then come see me looking for work every day and raking leaves and scooping dog poo for minimum wage JUST TO HAVE A JOB.
I will take you to city hall and show you the corruption in our political system, (other than police, almost every city job is held by a black person) the violence on our streets, the neglect of our children...and I will show you that, at least where I live, 9 times out of 10 it is by a black person.

Come on down and see this for yourself. I haven't even mentioned HALF of it.
You want to continue to call us racist after that, you go right ahead. But you come down here and see this for yourself before you pass judgement.

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That is golden. That's not everyone with a certain color of skin and I'm sure you know it to be true. However I don't doubt its accuracy.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

Yes. There are plenty of black people who are awesome, normal, average, just like there are white people that are scum sucking bottom feeders of society.
Just trying to point out that stereotyping isn't always racism...sometimes its just the way things are in a given area, like it or not, and there are no absolutes....some of ya'll need to travel more and see more of the world.
When I grew up in a tiny town on the pacific coast full of wealthy people, I spent the first half of my life disillusioned as well because I hadn't actually SEEN any of this stuff, I had only read the native american/african/vietnamese/mexican bleeding-heart down on their luck & abused by society books that my liberal parents had given me over the years.
Culture shock is a *****!!

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"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Jesus of Nazareth

You know what I find amusing ...

56% of the African American population lives in the South Eastern United States (primarily Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Tennessee). This percentage of total African American population continues to rise, primarily because of migration away from the U.S. North East and Pacific Coast.

So, quite honestly, I wonder where the rest of the country gets off dictating the state of race relations.

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Because obviously what's going on in the SE applies to everywhere in the US...

Nope. Said it before and I'll say it again: black culture in the south is different. Which is why, if you have not lived here and seen it for yourself, don't be too quick to judge those of us who have and do.

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"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Jesus of Nazareth

Sorry I should have been more clear, my response was to Khross, who was doing exactly what he was complaining about others doing.

I believe Aizle lives in Minnesota, which has a massive 4.7% African American population. It's important to note that some 85% of that African American population lives in the Twin City's metropolitan area. So, unless you live in St. Paul or Minneapolis, the probability you'll encounter an African American is a lot closer to 0 than one might imagine. I remember this because we had this discussion once before on the Glade, and the Wisconsinites and Minnesotans were appalled by certain statements from Southern Gladers. Wisconsin proved to be more fun, because 98% of their African American population lived within commuting distance of Chicago.

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So Aizle lives in a geographic region where there are no black people? That sounds racist to me.

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ROFL!! Hahaha oh my goodness that actually took me by surprise and make me laugh out loud. Thanks, Coro.

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"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Jesus of Nazareth

None of this actually addresses that you somehow think that the race relations in the SE should be the litmus test for the country.

See, this is one of those statements where you assume I've said something I haven't. But, alas, since you apparently don't understand the biting sarcasm in my post, I'll be more blunt about it ...

Wherein do you derive the agency to speak for parties involved in actual and ongoing race relations in the United States, especially when the probability of your actual experience is significantly less than those of the parties involved? Indeed, wherein do you derive the agency to address the African American "situation" in the United States when you are ...

1. Not African American

2. Not in regular contact with a significant African American population that operates within demographic norms and closer to the median income, education, and behavior levels of that demographic?

Because, you know, all I said was that I find it amusing that American liberals in predominantly lily-white states continue to foist their picture of American race relations on the country and the world without actually venturing into the epicenter of American race contact. Minus a few major metropolitan centers, the United States out of the South East has the racial diversity of a KKK meeting. And, amusingly enough, it's those parts of the country trying to dictate race policy.

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Bonus points for using the word median rather than average.

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Oh, I understood your sarcasm completely.

My apologies if you weren't implying that somehow one had to be from the SE to understand race relations.

Really my only point is that the the whole issue is very complex and much larger than any one particular region. Similarly, race relations differ depending on area. The state and health of relations are quite varied in Minneapolis, even between certain suburbs, much less different cities across the US.

The tone of your post led me to believe that you felt that only those in the SE had the exposure or experience to really know what the state of race relations are, which is just as egotistical and wrong as those you are questioning.

Okay, this is too good not to share.

I've lived in Tennessee and in Minnesota. The elementary school I attended (in Alcoa, TN) is currently ~22% black. Apollo High School in Saint Cloud, MN (about 60 miles outside the Twin Cities) is 15% black, per Minnesota's education website. I didn't go to school at Apollo but it's the closest data point I could get; there's no data for the parochial school I attended on the website. What's curious is that if you look at the demographics for Stearns County, Minnesota, it's 95.99% white and 0.83% black. The parochial school I went to? Not a single black kid. So whence the discrepancy?

A little Googling and I found that the Lutherans have been helping a bunch of Somalis to resettle in good old Central Minnesota (edit: at least I gather the Lutherans were originally sponsoring some stuff back in the '90s). A little more Google-fu and I found "Tensions rise with Somali population in St. Cloud".
Go read the whole article. Seriously. Ignorance and bigotry aren't a purely geographical phenomenon... just sayin'.

So basically, what I'm gathering from all of this is that liberals blue people love black people until they have to live near them. That's like one big racism cookie with hypocrisy sprinkles.

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I remember it too and having lived in Milwaukee and in Chicago, I was only appalled at the inaccuracy of your stated statistics. Nearly half of the Black population of WI lives hundreds of miles from Chicago; there's no need to go through this again.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko