The Glade 4.0

But it had Jennifer Connelly topless! How can you not love that??????

Nah, i've never really liked TheRiov so this wouldn't be reinventing anything. Just going with the flow. Though he has used some very Montyish arguments.

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Don't do it man. Just don't do it.

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Theri:
Perhaps you've failed to notice that no one is displaying an unreasonably hostile attitude towards someone because of their racial background. No racial prejudice is evident, so even if one desires to use a watery version of "racism", it isn't on display - unless you want to water it down so much that even speaking of people of different colors and cultural backgrounds make you racist...
Sorry, no screaming, just a firm grasp of the language, but go ahead and continue to believe that we, like you, are racists if it makes you feel better. Since you've already stated that, by your own definition, you are racist and feel no guilt about it, it's probably something you should talk to your therapist about in order to see if the origins of your racism are related to your overt misogyny.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

Black people get lower SAT scores too. Is that racist? No different than saying they're loud.

That's because the SAT's are prejudiced against stupid culture!!!

Whoops. Was that racist?

You Culturist...err Stupidist...ummm...You Istist!

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

If you can provide statistics to back it up Lex, then no. (I can, I'll do it for you)


But there is a difference between achievement (what SAT/ACT measures) and intelligence (such as what an IQ test measures)

As long as you understand the statistics and the potential bias in them, then no, such statements are not racist.

That said, when you use them to generate prejudicial conclusions such as "Black people are stupid" -- then yes, you're guilty of racism. Now, thankfully no one here is that blatant. But my respect for Killuas just went up about 10 levels. He is self aware enough to see his own prejudice. You're not going to be able to silence your gut instinct, but we can use our intellect to override the base instincts.

The problem is some people are too **** lazy to bother with it. They'd rather re-invent the dictionary to avoid being labeled something they, on the surface, know is wrong but can't help being, than they would try to fight or struggle to change to improve themselves.

Its okay to have prejudice if you are aware of it, struggle against it, and work to be better. You're just reveling in it. Its abhorrent.

On the contrary, you have yet to establish that the racism that you claim, in fact, exists. You are simply assuming that noting common stereotypes about cetain races exist, and then claiming they constitute racism, without establishing how they do so.

In fact what you are doing is claiming that the stereotypes establish racism, which in turn is the cause of the stereotypes. This is a circular argument, and in science would be an unfalsifiable, and therefore utterly worthless, hypothesis.

You have yet to establish that a stereotype about a racial group, which results from observations about a racial group being true commonly enough to form a pattern, are in fact, racist. I can observe that black people generally have dark skin. Not all do, and some are much lighter than others, but it is true as a rule of thumb. Yet observing this is, according to your ridiculous standard, racist.

Essentially you are trying to put observations about commonalities within racial groups out of bounds. This is the tactic used to stifle debate by the Left everywhere; simply claim loudly and repeatedly over and over that any observation you disapprove of is morally unacceptable, and carefully avoid explaining why this is so beyond how "offensive" it supposedly is, or something to that effect. This is great, except that sooner or later the rest of the public grows tired of this nonsense and calls you on it, which is precisely what's happened here on numerous occasions where someone has tried to break out the racism hammer.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

You're an idiot. None of us are walking down the street calling black people idiots or telling them to quiet down. Every single one of us exercises the exact same control you're praising Killuas for. Most of us in this thread haven't actually expressed an opinion, only observations based on life experience.

How can you look at the stats you posted and not come to the conclusion that black "culture" (something a black person is very likely to come from!) doesn't value intelligence or education as much as others might?


I have my opinions, but there is no reason to struggle against anything if you keep your opinions internal. Sounds to me like you do indeed find some guilt in being a racist, or you wouldn't be struggling.

Therio:
You've already stated that you feel no guilt about your racism, so you might as well stop bringing up the fact that you keep trying to "re-invent the dictionary". You're beta enough already, no need to lower your self-esteem further.

Lex:
I'd take what a self-proclaimed racist, weightist, classist, elitist, mind reader who ranks people based on their appearance in accord with his own prejudiced standards and misogyny with a grain of salt.

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I just want to be a racist prick...
I do not know if you are Irish or not. I am so much like blacks calling eachother Niggaz word.... it is okay if I call an Irish person a Mick because I am one.

You know... I find this thread funny. The Riov is relying on the secondary definition of a word, when half of the god damned secondary definition does not even apply. So... out of the two definitions for a word you get maybe 25% applicable information out of that.

I wish my bills worked that way...

"No you only get 50 dollars this month Mr Cable man... I decided that only 25% of your content suited me so that is what is really applicable to this bill."

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

LK: Have you and NF thought of moving to a different area? Columbus doesn't appear to be a quality place with regard to job availability, and it seems cut off from nearby options (being 150? miles from another larger city area).

As for race, Columbus seems to be leaning heavy on the black side, and if it's anything like Delta areas......those that inhabit it are less likely to be higher educated or hold meaningful jobs. Lots of single parent households, crime, govt assistance, poor schools, etc etc. (and before someone calls me a racist, I will include whites as well, although last I checked the black single parent stat was the worst in our state. There are some inbred, white trash to mix in the topic)

Personally, living in Mississippi my whole life, I wouldn't live north of Florence/Richmond (just south of Jackson). And really wouldn't wish to live north of H'burg (current). Northern half of Ms. is like night/day from the south half IMHO.

/hugs

I am a dirty mick and Iam drunk bu I wasn't when I wrote that ****.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

hahaha!

Actually, everything I know about black people I initially learned from black comedians. I'm pretty sure I got that loud-in-the-theater thing from one of them...

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True, but there's a similar gap between blacks and other races on IQ tests as well. On average blacks score about 10-15 points lower than whites on IQ tests. The gap remains when accounting for socio-economic status too. There is evidence that the gap is shrinking though.

Oh, and Jews average 10 points higher than whites. So there you go Lex, you are the superior race (er, you're Jewish, right?).

I cant quite pin it down, but it might be mostly low income black people that are loud. Definitely the case at the local theaters which I wont go to anymore. They usually have kids in strollers at the 10 and 11pm shows too. I cant picture my neighbors or co-workers being loud at a movie, but maybe they would maybe it's a cultural thing *shrug*.

Italians are loud at dinner, in my experience. My family shouts at each other in normal conversation at big gatherings.

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Lots of black folk here in California. My neighborhood is about 50% white, 40% Hispanic, and 10% anything else, including black. It is a quiet little blue collar neighborhood where we just don't worry about race much. I'm one of the quietest ones.

Where I work we probably have 50% white, 25% black and the rest of the ethnic groups are well represented in a building where almost 500 people work. One of the black women I've worked for gives me credit for encouraging her to study genealogy when she developed an interest in it, now she teaches. We're a friendly bunch of people and the race thing just is not a factor. Most of the blacks working here are from the south and go home for weddings and funerals only. They express zero desire to move back.

When I've asked why, the answer is that the South is different. What is unusual and shocking here is daily life there. When out to lunch with one of my black friends he told me that it wouldn't be happening in Alabama. We would never be having lunch together and probably not be working together.

When I visited LadyKate and Nitefox I stopped at a Hardee's (Carl's Jr.) on the way back to the Memphis airport, and found out I was in the Black Hardee's the white one was down the road, but they served me anyway because I was not from around there. I thought segregation like that was outlawed?

The south is different, and I got the feeling that they won't try to tell me how to live if I don't try to tell them how to live.

I could use a Waffle House around here though.

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"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

Just **** with you man. Dirty Mick to dirty Mick.

Oh and I have another question for Mr. Sandy Vagina... Why is it okay for Chris Rock to talk about 'How niggaz is loud in the theata' but it is racist for people here ti comment that they have witnessed blacks being loud in the theater? Your hipocrisy is showing.

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I will once again raise the notion of all this being the result of societal influences rather than skin pigmentation. Societal/cultural differences tend to be passed on in the Nurture of children, which usually runs alongside Nature coincidentally. People likely pick basis of skin color because it's the first noticeable aspect, no thinking about it required.

I don't think I'm throwing out any radical new ideas here. Though science seems to be discovering that genetics do affect your personality to some degree, I look again to the various anecdotes here to say that Nature simply isn't big enough a factor to have any significant influence.

So... though we're probably too used to discussing things by race to really change the words we use, does this Nurture > Nature thing change the discussion at all if we keep it in the forefront of our minds? I think the new discussion would shift to picking out the scope, i.e. everyone could agree that being brought up in a certain neighborhood of a certain city will heavily influence an individual towards this or that trait, but can you really apply that equally to the entire southeast US? Is it simply the same effect, diluted a bit as groups spread out more, or is it almost solely a factor of how closed a society people keep. Having a black Hardee's and a white Hardee's certainly isn't helping to break out of existing habits.

Is this the same way the so-called bleeding heart liberal crowd sees this issue? Because I have a hard time believing that they think it doesn't exist at all, unless they've lived in either very well integrated places all of their lives or perhaps lived in very isolated (culturally/socially) places. In other words, are we just arguing over semantics here?

Beat me to it, so quoting for absolute truth.

Personally I don’t think there is anything wrong with stereotyping by race, it is part of how we deal with the greater world and survive it to the best of our abilities.

There are some people you simply do not want to drive next to or behind.
There are some people’s neighborhoods you just don’t want to walk through, even in day light.
There are some people you just don’t want to be stuck in a lift with.
There are some people you don’t want to borrow money from.
There are some people you really don’t want to tick off.
There are some people who simply can’t jump.

There are some people who are better athletes than others.
There are some people who get higher academic scores than others.
There are some people who will get paid more than others.
There are some people who will get laid more than others.
There are some people who can out drink others.
There are some people who won’t burn under the sun like others.

Guess what, racism is okay, it’s what gives us our identities, it’s what makes us proud and gives us the best jokes at the pub. Without racism, the majority of jokes will be limited to hair colour, sex, and religion. Where would the “An Aussie, an Irish and an American walks into a bar” jokes be with out good old racism.

So haters are gonna hate, but personally I embrace the multicultural fun that is racism.

Racism is believing that race determines superiority/inferiority.

Racial discrimination is acting on those beliefs in such a way as to have a detrimental impact.

I think everyone understands that there are differences between the various races. Some of these differences follow ethnic lines, but not always.

This does not make someone a racist. Not giving someone a job because of skin color or ethnicity is racism.

So back to the original topic. Making the observation that black people tend to be more obnoxious in a movie theater does NOT make someone a racist. Not selling them a ticket to the theater based on this *might* make you a racist.