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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 12:55 pm 
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I found this interesting.

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There’s a lost tribe of religious believers who have suffered a lasting identity crisis. I am referring to the category-defying species of believers who accept the existence of the creator God and yet refuse to worship him. In fact they may go so far as to say that they hate God.

No, I’m not talking about atheists. Non-believers may say contemptuous things about God, but when they do so, they are simply giving the thumbs-down to a fictional character. They may as well express dislike about Shakespeare’s devious Iago, Dickens’ scheming Uriah Heep or Dr. Seuss’ Grinch who stole Christmas.

For atheists, God is in the same category as these fictional villains. Except that since God is the most popular of all fictional villains, New Atheists – those evangelizing ones such as Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins - spend a considerable amount of energy enumerating his flaws.

But someone who truly believes in God’s existence and yet hates or scorns him is in a state of religious rebellion so perplexing as to strain our common understanding of faith to the breaking point.

Although these radical dissenters could steal the thunder from the New Atheists, they have remained almost unknown to date.

When it comes to God-hatred, a collective blindness seems to settle on us. First, we lack a generally agreed-upon name to refer to this religious rebellion. And anything that doesn’t have a word associated with it doesn’t exist, right?

Well, in the case of God-hatred, this principle doesn’t hold because the phenomenon does exist whether or not there’s a name for it. And in any case, I’ve ended the semantic impasse by naming these rebels and their stance once for all. My chosen term is misotheism, a word composed of the Greek root “misos” (hatred) and “theos” (deity).

Why do I care so much about them? They strike me as brave, visionary, intelligent people who reject God from a sense of moral outrage and despair because of the amount of injustice and suffering that they witness in this world.

At the same time, they are exercising self-censorship because they dare not voice their opinion openly. After all, publicly insulting God can have consequences ranging from ostracism to imprisonment, fines and even death, depending on where the blasphemy takes place (Ireland, for instance, imposes a fine of up to 25,000 Euros for blasphemy) and what God is the target of attacks (under sharia law, being found an enemy of God, or “mohareb” is a capital offense).

But I also care about these rebels because they chose literature as their principal medium for dealing with their God-hatred. I am a professor of literature, and the misotheists’ choice of literature as their first line of defense and preferred medium endears them to me.

Literature offered them the only outlet to vent their rage against God. And it was a pretty safe haven for doing so. Indeed, hardly anybody seems to notice when God-hatred is expressed in literature. Such writers cleverly “package” their blasphemous thoughts in works of literature without seeming to give offense in any overt way.

At the same time, these writers count on the reader’s cooperation to keep their “secret” safe. It’s like a pact between writer and reader.

Zora Neale Hurston could write that “all gods who receive homage are cruel” without anybody objecting that “all gods” must necessarily include the persons of the Christian Trinity.

Or Rebecca West could write that “something has happened which can only be explained by supposing that God hates you with merciless hatred, and nobody will admit it,” counting on the fact that, since nobody will admit it, nobody will rat her out for blasphemy.

There lies, in a sense, the awesome, subversive power of literary writing, something that had worried Plato 2,400 years ago when he required that all poets be removed from his ideal “Republic.” Interestingly, though, while guardians of propriety have put Huckleberry Finn on the list of proscribed texts because of its liberal use of the N-word, few people have declared Hurston’s "Their Eyes Were Watching God" or Shelley’s "Prometheus Unbound" or West’s "The Return of the Soldier" as forbidden texts because of the underlying misotheism of these works.

And even where the misotheism is overtly expressed, as in Elie Wiesel’s "The Trial of God" or in James Morrow’s "Godhead Trilogy," literature offers an enclave of religious freedom that is vital to the human spirit and its impulse to free itself of any shackles, even the commands of God.

I refer to the story of misotheism as “untold” partly because misotheism tends not to be noticed even when it hides in plain sight. Another reason why the story of misotheism is “untold” is that nobody has bothered yet to draw the larger lines of development over time, beginning with the Book of Job and ending up with utilitarianism, philosophical anarchism and feminism. That story in itself is quite engrossing, but again it is not a story that has really ever been presented.

So I am doing quite a bit of connecting the dots, unearthing overlooked connections and making distinctions such as proposing a system of three different types of misotheism - agonistic (conflicted), absolute and political. Misotheism in its various manifestations is a dark, disturbing and perplexing strand of religious dissent. But at the same time, it is an attitude toward the divine that shows just how compelling belief can be.

If people continue to believe in a God they find to be contemptible, then belief is such a powerful force that it cannot be simply switched off on the basis of empirical data. Thus, in the last consequence, the study of misotheism is a testament to the power of belief, albeit a twisted, unconventional form.


http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/08/my-take-why-some-people-hate-god/?hpt=C2


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 12:57 pm 
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Sounds outdated. I'm sure there were many people like this pre-1900.


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Lex Luthor wrote:
Sounds outdated. I'm sure there were many people like this pre-1900.


So? What's your point?


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People who don't like God tend to become atheist nowadays because there's so much more information for that.


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Lex Luthor wrote:
People who don't like God tend to become atheist nowadays because there's so much more information for that.


Did you actually read the article? :roll:


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 2:24 pm 
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Seriously, this is a new topic with all the Lovecraft fans on these forums?

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Here you go.

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At least there honest and don't call themselves Atheists. You don't fight against something that you think doesn't exist.

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I thought this thread was going to be about some new kind of Asian soup! ....


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I, for one, welcome our new miso soup gods.

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Seriously, this is a new topic with all the Lovecraft fans on these forums?

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What? Has this been posted already?


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Khross' thing is literature. I think this is a "of course this exists, you twit of a blogger. You are not special for noticing it" kind of deal. Mixed with a little bit of shock that a forum full of Lovecraft fans hasn't noticed similar things, presumably in Lovecraft's work.

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Kaffis Mark V wrote:
Khross' thing is literature. I think this is a "of course this exists, you twit of a blogger. You are not special for noticing it" kind of deal. Mixed with a little bit of shock that a forum full of Lovecraft fans hasn't noticed similar things, presumably in Lovecraft's work.


Hopefully, he's not making the mistake of assuming this forum is homogenous in its literature/cinema/(WTF Lovecraft is) choices.


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The forum may not be homogeneous (and obviously isn't on many topics), but along certain lines, there are noticeable trends. One of these is a (at least passing) familiarity with the Cthulhu mythos.

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Would someone kindly explain what this thread is supposed to be about? I'm totally mystified.

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Atheism is not believing in God.

Hating God when you don't believe in God is silly, but no sillier than hating Team Rocket.

Hating God when you do believe in him isn't atheism, its misotheism.

Miso soup is delicious, and Mookhow is welcome to worship it as he pleases, this is America.

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I would assume Misotheistic beliefs are largely compatible with the Flying Ramen Monster.


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Soyzilla opposes and unleashes his flying edamame attack.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 7:33 pm 
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Hebrew Bible
The story of Adam and Eve, Genesis 2:16
The story of Noah (Genesis, chapters 6 - 7): God regrets having created mankind (6:6)
Tower of Babel, Genesis 11:1: God chastising humanity.
The story of Joseph (Genesis, chapters 37 – 48): God allows Joseph to undergo slavery and even false imprisonment.
The Hardening of Pharaoh's Heart (a phrase used 14 times) in the story of Moses in Exodus (chptrs 8 - 11): God is explicitly shown to inspire impious behaviour on the Pharaoh's part.
Deuteronomy 5:8-10 - God admitting jealousy.
Deuteronomy 7:1-6, 20:16-17, God calling for cruelty and even genocide against the Canaanites (mitzvot 596-598)
In Numbers 31:17-18 Moses demands that all men, women, and children captives are to be killed "but all the women children, who have never known a man by lying with him,keep alive for yourself".
In Judges 11:29-39 Jephthah sacrifices his daughter for victory in battle.
In the Book of Job God allows Job to suffer (1:6-12 and 2:1-6).
[edit]New Testament
The Christian scriptures in the New Testament contain references to an "evil god", specifically the "prince of this world" (John 14:30, ο του κοσμου τουτου αρχων) or "god of this world" (2 Corinthians 4:4, ο θεος του αιωνος τουτου) who has "blinded the minds of men".
Mainstream Christian theology sees these as references to Satan ("the Devil"), but Gnostics, Marcionites, and Manicheans saw these as references to Yahweh himself.[citation needed]
References to God as wrathful or violent are more sparse in the New Testament than in the Old, but attention has been drawn[by whom?] to a number of passages, such as:
Acts 5:1-11 - Ananias and Sapphira killed by God for falsely claiming they had donated all the proceeds from a recent land sale to their commune.
Romans 9 - Paul relates (9:9-13) how the destinies of Jacob and Esau were fixed by God before either had done any good or evil works, and concludes (9:14-18) that salvation and damnation are determined not by man's will or actions, but by God's will. He then considers (9:19) the question of how God can justly condemn evil men for fulfilling his will, and answers (9:20-21) that, just as a potter has power to shape clay, God has the right to form evil men for his own purposes, specifically, (9:22) to evince his wrath and power by destroying them.
Revelation 21:8 - God throws the beast, the false prophet, and their followers into a lake of burning sulphur, and threatens those who do not believe in him with the same eternal punishment.
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This is interesting.


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to post something equally pointless....

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It's not that pointless since I got it from the Wikipedia page on this subject.


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Lex Luthor wrote:
It's not that pointless since I got it from the Wikipedia page on this subject.


Seriously dude, **** Wikipedia; it is not considered a credible source for an academic course, so **** it right in its stupid ***, with no reach around. And just because something is on Wikipedia does not make it important. Hell Wikipedia has a list of DragonBall Z episodes... so that shows not everything on Wiki is worth a ****.

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If the subject of discussion is Dragonball Z then the Wikipedia on the episodes could be relevant.


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darksiege wrote:
Lex Luthor wrote:
It's not that pointless since I got it from the Wikipedia page on this subject.


Seriously dude, **** Wikipedia; it is not considered a credible source for an academic course, so **** it right in its stupid ***, with no reach around. And just because something is on Wikipedia does not make it important. Hell Wikipedia has a list of DragonBall Z episodes... so that shows not everything on Wiki is worth a ****.

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