The Glade 4.0

NPR does not report in good faith. NPR, indeed, fired Juan Williams for reporting in good faith; or, have we forgotten about that?

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Khross - can you please show your work on the Wisconsin labor dispute? It's entirely possible you already have and I just missed it, but from the posts I've seen, you just keep asserting your points without demonstrating them. The prima facie case for this being a union-busting (union-weakening, if you prefer less sensationalism) is pretty clear, so if you have a contrary argument, I'd love to hear it.

NPR fired Juan Williams for having two separate media personas - one he trotted out for the NPR audience and one he trotted out for the Fox audience. That just doesn't fly in this era of mass media.

What was his NPR persona? He was and is a very open minded liberal on FOX.

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“Strong people are harder to kill than weak people, and more useful in general”. - Mark Rippetoe

RangerDave:

I have shown my work; you glossed over it in the last thread (or outright ignored it). The Wisconsin measure does not prohibit the teachers from unionizing or maintaining their union. It does not prohibit collective bargaining. It simply requires that the Union contract be subject to yearly recertification vote by the participant teachers and state service employees and that the Teachers and other State Employees affected by the contract contribute to their retirement and health care plans. It exempts, incidentally, public safety employees from any changes to their union status or contracts. At least, that's what the bill originally did. I think it's been amended to require recertification every 3 years.

By the way ...

Here's some of the NPR Reporting on the subject ...

http://www.npr.org/2011/03/08/134337221 ... al-context

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No, NPR fired Juan Williams for reporting in good faith. The fact that you're defending his firing is more proof of the confirmation bias issue regarding NPR and self-professed liberals.

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AJE > NPR

Ayup.

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Indeed it was Aizle. When in commentary you have a self-described left-winger defending the other side, that tells me the editors of the news organization don't even know what the other side looks like. Like I said, editors control what content is put up. If the editors don't even understand the other viewpoint, how can there ever be fair reporting? You need to know all sides of the story before you can report on it if you're trying to be a fair and unbiased journalist.

I don't understand liberals who call themselves fiscal conservatives. I think they mean they don't approve of waste and I can't think of anybody who would say they like wasting tax payer dollars.

The liberal "fiscal conservatives" that I know all support throwing tons of tax dollars at entitlements and programs ahead of core services and say "we need to find someplace else to cut." Yet no substantive cuts are ever proposed. Arizona is seeing this right now. The Republican super-majority is slashing things right and left while the Democrats yell and scream. They call themselves fiscally conservative yet put forth nothing that should rightfully be called that.

I'd invite the liberals on this board to explain what they consider fiscally conservative because I seriously don't get it.

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The Dude abides.

http://bigjournalism.com/dloesch/2011/0 ... iller-out/ And the top person as NPR is gone 3 days after daring anyone to find a liberal bias at NPR, and then they turn op the turd.

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http://www.mediaresearch.org/mrcspotlig ... ng/pbs.asp

Here is some Liberal examples, maybe you can find some conservative ones?

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"Life isn't divided into genres. It's a horrifying, romantic, tragic, comical, science-fiction cowboy detective novel. You know, with a bit of pornography if you're lucky."
— Alan Moore

Fiscal Liberal is the estranged cousin of the compassionate conservative. The "conservative" who believes in dumping money on causes rather then solving them.

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"Life isn't divided into genres. It's a horrifying, romantic, tragic, comical, science-fiction cowboy detective novel. You know, with a bit of pornography if you're lucky."
— Alan Moore

It also limits collective bargaining to wage issues only (i.e. it prohibits collective bargaining on other issues), caps wage increases at cost of living, requires annual recertification of the union itself as the collective bargaining agent, bars state agencies from collecting union dues (i.e. no paycheck deductions), and excludes various medical and university employees from collective bargaining.

Those sure sound like union-busting/weakening moves to me.

I think it is funny that people can state so unequivocably that this news organization is slanting and that one isn't as if there was a fight to be made on either side of the argument. The plain truth of the matter is that everyone has biased filters and paradigms built into them, just as we all have prejudices. If we did not we could not learn anything new because all data we take in would be non-relational facts.

In other words, there is no such thing as an unbiased source.

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News is only interesting because you are biased. There's no "logic" about why you should be interested in one thing and not another.

true, but when you lean as far to the right as some people here do, everything looks slanted left.

I don't think so. Most people here recognize that Fox News is slanted right. It's interesting how some people here don't notice a slant the other way with NPR.

I don't dispute that NPR sometimes has a left slant. (I recall someone playing "its the end of the world as we know it" as the interlude music after Bush won the election 10 years ago. ) They got hell about that too.

That being the case, they're still more responsible about fact checking than nearly any other organization out there.

Europe.

A huge chunk of Europe makes our most socialist Democrats look like free-market capitalists. We have bought into this idea that "right" and "left" are subjectively defined, and by comparison to Europe, our Democrats would be centrists.

This causes American liberals to believe that the rampant liberal bias in our media is actually moderate and balanced.

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Like I said, all news is biased. If you run a program about the poor people who can't afford oil in the winter and would like government handouts, then this is inherently biased even though it's factually correct.

If you quote someone, then you are biased because you chose the quote.

Also any news that touches on any "issue" is biased because it means you recognize it as an issue worth discussing.

3 years on recertification now, but none of those things are busting/weakening moves. University employees have no right to unionize pretty much anywhere else; and tenure tracks do a good job of protecting professors and employees at such agencies. Basically, it limits unions to what they ostensibly say they do, instead of letting them bilk the government and taxpayers for more money.

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Some people think "fiscally conservative" means "responsible spending" while some think "fiscally conservative" means "low spending."

Seriously? You don't think carving out everything except wages and preemptively capping wage increases at CPI is a huge reduction in the scope of the union's influence (hell, in it's continuing relevance at all)? You don't think making it harder for the union to collect dues and requiring an annual vote on its very existence as a collective bargaining unit are significant blows to its strength? Please.

Back to the original story:

Isn't this wiretapping and illegal? I thought you could go to jail for recording people without consent.