The Glade 4.0

And WI gets it done! Good job Republicans, stand up to the union thugs, and in classic funny, the out of state Dem's are complaining they where not given enough time to meet on the vote.

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"Life isn't divided into genres. It's a horrifying, romantic, tragic, comical, science-fiction cowboy detective novel. You know, with a bit of pornography if you're lucky."
— Alan Moore

Pathetic

Edit for clarity: My disgust is with the political circus and complete unwillingness for the elected representatives to work together. It just further degrades the political process and creates divisions that encourages more of this kind of silly crap. And that goes for both sides of this argument.

Whatever, when people reach another tipping point unions will be back and at that point they'll have a purpose again.

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A CEO, a Tea party member, and a unionized laborer were all seated at a table. On the table there is a plate with a dozen cookies. The CEO reaches over and takes 11 cookies. He then turns to the Tea Party member and says "Watch that union guy, I think he wants a piece of your cookie."

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

Again we aren't talking about a CEO and a union where there profits to share. We are taking about a government that just doesn't have any money.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

What CEO was involved in the WI legislature? It dealt only with the government unions, you know the ones that are paid through the tax payers?

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"Life isn't divided into genres. It's a horrifying, romantic, tragic, comical, science-fiction cowboy detective novel. You know, with a bit of pornography if you're lucky."
— Alan Moore

So, should the Democrats in Contempt of Congress (Wisconsin's Congress) be indicted and prosecuted for their criminal behavior over this matter?

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The point of the joke was the manipulation of the working class to fight each other rather than work together.

The point of my posting the joke was to disrupt the conservative wank party going on, knowing few of you would get the point of the joke.

This is Hellfire right? I don't have to make sense, stay on topic, or even be as polite as I'm being now.

Screws, sigh.

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

I don't know enough of Wisconsin's laws to know if they are indeed in contempt. If they are, then sure.

Regardless, I dislike their actions. I have some level of sympathy for them, as I feel that they were forced into what they did but a completely out of control governor and GOP. But regardless, their actions as well as those of the GOP are perfect examples of what is wrong in politics today.

So Aizle, you're proposing the state stay in debt for the sake of "coming together?"

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The Dude abides.

How was the Wisconsin governor out of control? He won based on bringing some stability to the financial issues the state was having. He did what he was voted in to do.

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

Difficult for me to tell a joke online without at least a , to back it up. And you are a fairly pro union fellow? Sorry you got your undies in a twist over my reply.

My reply is also more against the majority of the media coverage that is pretending that corporations are going to benefit from this law in MI, where it is government employee's just demanding more and more from the Tax payers. To me the only thing less tasteful would be a protest of welfare receivers demanding more.

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"Life isn't divided into genres. It's a horrifying, romantic, tragic, comical, science-fiction cowboy detective novel. You know, with a bit of pornography if you're lucky."
— Alan Moore

Don't be rediculous.

But as the saying goes, there is more than one way to skin a cat.

It is tough to skin the cat when it is out of the state and hiding.....Lord knows I have tried.

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"Life isn't divided into genres. It's a horrifying, romantic, tragic, comical, science-fiction cowboy detective novel. You know, with a bit of pornography if you're lucky."
— Alan Moore

I am pro-union, but not a fanatic about it.

Some unions are out of control. Some are not.

While it may seem the unions are a bad thing in some ways, the reasons why the unions came to be were much much worse. Find a way to prevent the unfair exploitation of the working classes without unions, and you may change the world for the better. Until then there needs to be something in place to prevent abuse and create accountability.

For those of you decrying the Unions, if you have a job with any kind of benefits, whether you are union or not, those benefits have come about because the unions fought for them, and the non-unionized employers put them in place to retain their better employees.

And yes, some Unions have gone too far, some unions are out of control, and the bosses want your support to kill all unions because of that. Or maybe just those that can't be used as a control mechanism rather than an advocate for the employees.

You're just a bunch of screws working for the bosses, beating down other people because you dream about being a boss someday yourself. Except for a very few cases, you'll just be a bully the rest of your lives, never a real boss.

Jay Gould knew you for what you were back in the 19th century.

His most famous quote, “"I can hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half."

Most of you seem to want to go right back there.

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

Another point I like.

"Labor's seeming greatest weakness is that workers feel a greater sense of jealousy and outrage at any class of workers who gain relatively more salary and benefits than they do of a CEO or financier who is paid 1000 times as much.”

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

Meanwhile the Union guys cookie is 1.5x the size of the Tea Partiers, he has extra time to eat it, and if the tea partier tries to get a bigger cookie, the tea partier gets intimitaded into joining the Cookie Monsters Union or the CEO is pressured to let the guy go.

Also, don't finish your cookie too fast and head back to work or the Cookie Monster Union will scold you.

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

I agree to the once useful and necessary part, especially in private unions. Now I am chalking that up to living in the past. Heavily unionized private industries are dying and for good reason, they are just not competitive.

Public sector unions, those that are tax paid, I lack an expletive strong enough to describe my emotion and thoughts about that parasitic group.

I am sure there are some fine bureaucrats out there and wonderful teachers, again to avoid the usual charge, being anti union does not make you anti education or teacher. But being able to elect the person who sits down and determines your pay....recepie for financial disaster. Sorry the rest of the country is hurting and you get to make sacrifices too.

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"Life isn't divided into genres. It's a horrifying, romantic, tragic, comical, science-fiction cowboy detective novel. You know, with a bit of pornography if you're lucky."
— Alan Moore

Do you feel the same way about a non-union government employee who negotiates his own contract and tries to get the best deal he can in the process? Should government employees just accept whatever wage & benefit package the government offers, or should they be free to ask for a raise, more vacation days, etc.?

They should be free to negotiate and ask for more pay or vacation days, but if they're told no, that's that. Then you either look for a new job and use that as leverage for the current job or you move to the new job.

Yes. The difference between private and public sector unions is that private sector union employees work for businesses which report to a bottom line, and if the unions push to far and too hard they make their employer uncompetitive and put themselves out of work. Public sector unions work for the government which has shown it has no desire to report to a bottom line.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

Heh...

"If you've got benefits, thank the unions..."
"Unions protect us from those evil CEO's..."
"Don't you see? It's us against them. Those evil rich guys want us to kill each other while they swim in their money like Scrooge McDuck!"

None of that is even remotely associated true about Public Sector Unions. The Public Sector Unions have no CEOs to vilify; the closest thing to a CEO those unions will ever run up against if the taxpayer. It's apparent the taxpayer has begun to wake up. To the Public Sector Union, we, the taxpayers, are the Goose that laid the golden egg. Even now, as we begin to see the influence of their unfunded, perpetual drag on the States that pander to them, the Public Sector Unions are crying: "No, no my little Goose I won't kill you, I promise!" While they sharpen the butcher's knife.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

I want to know where the cookies came from in the first place.If produced by the CEO's company they are all his.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

I want to know why on earth a Public Sector Union employee who is well compensated with benefits that far exceed the "laborers" norm, as well as pay that exceeds those of the majority of people who work for a living in this country, thinks fomenting class warfare and name-calling is the way to endear himself.

If you want famous quotes, take a look at FDR, the patron saint of unions, had to say about public sector unions.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

The problem is that the private sector unions are wholly subsidized by the public sector ones. If you back out public sector union employees the number of unionized works drops to under 10% of the work force.

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