The Glade 4.0

It's wrong to kill people for selfish purposes, but how do we deal with people who kill for selfish purposes? Should they get the same punishment as those who merely wound or kill accidentally? It also serves as a deterrent. If someone's going to get life in prison for a brutal home invasion where he beats (or worse) people in their own home, maybe he should just pull the trigger and eliminate the witnesses. It's a necessary ill, something society has to bare because of it's own nature.

It's not something we do lightly in this country: It takes a jury and a judge in agreement that the capital crime deserves murder. We go through a long appeals and waiting process. We try to make death as painless as possible, so that it's neither "cruel or unusual."

Do we screw up? Yes. A lot of those are old cases where DNA wasn't well known. Are we still gonna screw up? yeah. Any justice system run by fallible man is going to mess up to one side or the other. I don't think that should color our decisions. We're willing to admin when we are wrong.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

Murderers are sick, socially disabled individuals who should be treated, not killed. Also there's very few of them so the costs aren't that great of a burden to have give out life sentences.

Also it makes no sense to whine about prison costs when the following things are still illegal for no good reason: drug possession, statutory rape (after age 13 or so), possession of child pornography.

Okay, i'm with you on the drug possession bit, mostly...but statutory rape and child porn...i've gotta disagree with you. Oh, both those things have been misused (surprise!) to apply in ways they should never apply, but overall, they're needed.

Also, as I said, I'd actually rather most murderers by given the 20 cent solution. I just do not trust the government to administer this in any way. I mean, hell, we don't trust them with so much lesser stuff (look at all the government things we complain about)...whether through incompetence or tyranny, they can **** it up, they do **** it up, and they will continue to **** it up. THat's with everything...so I'm not willing to grant a government power over the very lives of its citizens, because life is everything... Nothing else matters next to it.

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I don't think owning a piece of information warrants a prison sentence. Also teenagers are more than capable of making up their minds about having sex.

Sure they are, and I'm all in favor of that. But that doesn't remove statutory rape laws. It just changes the age of consent.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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Well that's what I meant to say. The end result is that many (most?) people currently convicted of statutory rape would not be.

Lex some are. We let them be evaluated and plead not guilty by mental defect.
Cost isn't an issue in my thinking.

Taly, I don't trust politicians or bureaucrats to do it either, that's why it takes jurisprudence. We do it to defend and preserve life. Kinda like war.

Also age of consent varies iirc. Most states don't go after every or any 18 year old that boffs his 17 yo gf. They are more interested in situations where authority is abused. Again we have jurisprudence and the ability to try cases on their own merits.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

Some murderers are sick, many really are not.



No good reason according to who? There's plenty of good reason for at least 2 of those things; the fact that they offend some people's ideas of sexual liberty does not mean the very real psychological consequences that young people are vulnerable to can be handwaved away.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Anything in your brain that makes you murder people is a mental defect meaning you are sick and should get treatment.

If you go kill someone because he raped your sister, you have a mental defect?

I don't think so.

You're in no position to be making prnouncements on psychiatry.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

That's killing, not murder.

Legally, it is murder, and if caught you will most likely be convicted and go to jail for it. You're just trying to move the goalposts because you didn't think before you opened your mouth.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Statutory rape laws are bullshit because they only apply to men, a woman can rape a 14 year old and get away with nothing or next to nothing.

I don't think you should get executed for it either way.

Diamondeye, you seem to be ignoring the big question that Taly raised earlier, do you think the death sentence serves as a deterrant?

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That doesn't make the law bullshit, that makes the public attitude towards, and enforcement of such laws bullshit. I know of no such law that exempts women; they just receive very lenient treatment.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

I don't beleive it is really possible to know; I imagine it deters a small number of murders, possibly so few as to be statistically insignificant.

I'm ignoring the question, however, because I don't care. Murder is about justice which, in part, means sufficient societal retribution for a crime. The consequences of a crime must be unpleasent in proportion to its severity not jsut for deterrence but because otherwise the crime is essentially rewarded, and the victim teated worse than the criminal. Many crimes have effects which no restitution or remedy humans are capable of producing can fix.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Yes, we know you think that. So what? Why should anyone agree with you?

Try and post an actual reason. More than one line would help, and try to stay away from assertions that are just your opinion from sitting there thinking about it briefly. So far they haven't helped you.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

I already posted my reason. I don't think in a civilized society people should be unecessarily killed. They can be kept locked up instead, like they are in many other countries.

You said many crimes have effects which restitution/remedy is impossible for, the flip side is that some do? What crimes result in restitution or remedy?

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That's not a reason. That's just rephrasing that you think they shouldn't be executed. Why? We know we can lock them up. So what? Why should we?

If you're not inclined to give an actual explaination, just say so. Right now you're just making yourself look lazy.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Theft is the most obvious example; restitution can usually replace what the victim has lost, or the original property stolen can be returned.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Why? It's just how I want things to be. It's my opinion. You don't have to agree. I think countries that don't kill subdued people are better.

But is it? I know if a stolen car is located it is returned, but what about a stereo? Or stolen cash?

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You don't have reasons for the things you think or the decisions you make?

Why comment then? Just have your bit go back to posting. As you'vevdecided to do it it's work is just as deep.

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