The Glade 4.0

It's a valid comparison. There are quite a number of people who view book burnings to be more offensive than taking the lives of actual born babies. Consider what book burnings represent. You are destroying knowledge, and possibly irreplaceable knowledge depending on the books that you are destroying.

It's difficult to fathom irreplaceable knowledge in the form of a book in this day and age. I have a copy of Isaac Newton's Principia here in my hand. If I set fire to it, I haven't destroyed the last copy of the book, and even if I had, the book's contents have been so thoroughly disseminated throughout the world that humanity would not lose that information. Now consider the 214-212BC invasion of Syracuse. When Archimedes was killed, that was it. Whatever he hadn't written down was gone. There were things that, at the time, he was literally the only person in the world that knew them.

The book I previously mentioned is also a work of great historical import, and we would perhaps be lessened in some way if the last copy were to disappear. This is why we protect the original copies of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States of America even though they have been replicated in countless different forms. You would be hard-pressed to find anyone who places a particular religious significance on any of the Greek deities, yet all of that artwork is considered to be priceless artifacts.

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It would be a valid comparison 2000 years ago and if the book was the only copy, other than that, not so much.

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It took a lot of effort 2000 years ago to make a book. Nowadays you just need a computer printer.

Ok, cool. All I wanted to know, continue.

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Darksiege
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I was gonna say.. there may be something to this if we can start killing the young of those who are too fanatical to either book. (Phelps and Jones come to mind, then each and every person who goes blalalalalalalalalalalala *BOOM*)



the italicized part must be read in a Walter voice for proper effect.

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Darksiege
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Fixed for you.

That's all well and good, but that has little, if anything, to do with the motivation for these protests and the deaths of the 12 people. The complaint has nothing to do with destroying knowledge, and everything to do with disrespecting the religion.

Corolinth,

I agree it is a valid comparison; however, with all of the semantic arguments that seem to have replaced most of the otherwise typically petty debates, I just wanted verification of the exact nature of the stance. That was 13 pages from now, it can easily be referenced and that the position can be referred to without having to go through another 16 pages of the "choose your words better" that some of the threads have devolved to.

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Darksiege
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I wonder if Muslims are pro or anti abortion?

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

It depends on whether a) the baby is an infidel, or b) the baby has burned a Quran.

How can an unborn baby be an infidel or burn the Koran?

According to Wiki answers :

So most of the Islamic Theocracies (I see Jordan missing from the list: probably the most secular one) flat out forbid abortion, yet somehow only Christians get the blame on this issue.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

And to think of all the Browncoats calling for the heads of Fox executives.

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"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

Added, bolded and underlined the really important missing word from the whole thing there...

I do not hear a gorram thing about EU Christians taking the blame, but since America is thew whipping boy of the world (for what people think of us) we get **** on while everyone else is just dandy.

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Darksiege
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I don't know who whines louder, the ones we give foreign aid to or the ones we don't.

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

I'm sure I could safeguard my idenity. Worst I think id face is the site going down or hosting removed based on content. Maybe ill just make art out of it and get a government grant for suspending the Koran in a jar of piss.

Back to the dog/pellet gun issue....

I'm glad the idiot got charged, and in reality its prob for the best the legal system takes care of it. I'm protective of my animals and consider someone who does that below a parasite on the scale of worth. Id have handled that situation quite poorly I think. But at least id have that **** ears as a trophy.

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

Let's put aside the ridiculous "baby-killer" rhetoric a moment (come on, guys, can you use less charged language for the completely legal act of removing a shapeless, worthless lump of cells from a person?)...and ignore that a few **** seem to think that abortion doctors deserve to die, because they do their argument a disservice when arguing Aizle's comparison. This is sad, because the comparison still sucks (Sorry Aizle.)

The unconscionable acts of those who have murdered or vandalized abortion clinics does not compare to this. They took their wrath out on the actual perpetrators of what they stupidly perceived as a crime. This is actually logical, following from the flawed premise that they started with.

This muslims are not doing anything similar to this. They react to their perceived slight (and to be fair, burning a Quran is a more specific targeted insult to them than abortion is to pro-life people in general), and so they round up some random foreigners from other countries that had nothing to do with the incident and behead them? This does't follow logically from anything. If Muslims only rounded up Quran burners and killed them, you could make this comparison legitimately, but they instead just pick people at random to vent their anger upon. Yes, there are extremists in everything, but Islamic "extremism" is both far more common, and far more idiotic, than anything you see from christians.

A better comparison would be people like Timothy McVeigh, who took out his frustrations on a building full of innocent people. But McVeigh represented a miniscule fringe group of western culture in his views and extremism, whereas Islamic fundamentalist extremism seems to represent majority population groups in many Islamic states.

If the WBC starts randomly killing americans because of your godless acceptance of fags in America, then you have another comparison. As long as they just continue acting like douchebags rather than murderers, it really doesn't fly.

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They'd probably be arrested before they even reached their target.

Out of fairness, what I'm hearing is that the protest was shot at. This angered the crowd and prompted the storming of the complex.

Now, there is no doubt in my mind that some **** gave appropriate motivation to the guards to open fire. There is no doubt in my mind that a good number of the protestors would have killed everyone in the building if given the chance regardless. But... the reaction to the gunfire must be considered in the motivations for these killings.

In other words, if some tool in another Country did something outrageous, and I felt inclined to protest at the UN - fine. No real problem with this, I'm not there to hurt anyone. Now, if while protesting, a friend gets shot, I might change my mind.

Still, it's like a god damn powder keg every where you go with these people. I'm surprised any of them live past 40 with the sky high blood pressure they must have.

I hope that was a joke.

They aren't making the argument, I did.


As I said, the comparison isn't valid on many levels.


Which is what I pointed out.

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Irony, thy name is Talya.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

Why can't you guys ever let anything go? IMO, she's being the voice of reason when everyone is using a lame analogy that doesn't even hit on the main topic. The thread is a hair away from being about abortion, out of the blue.

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Again I would simply like to state, I do not really give a rats *** either way, but every gorram thread lately has turned into an argument about who is using what language correctly or incorrectly.

My question was asked simply to clarify the exact comparison being used, my question was answered. So now 16 pages from now while people are waving their dicks around about who has better mastery of the language and what each individual word (and how it is being used) really means, at least that one comparison has been cleared up.

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Darksiege
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You didn't for a moment consider that that was intentional, did you?

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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I think it's tough to claim a person is being the voice of reason, when the crux of their position is an attack on the use of loaded language and rhetoric... by making use of the opposing loaded language and rhetoric. I'm actually pretty sure she did it on purpose.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

It's actually the only thing I considered.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20