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White House Threatens Veto Of House Vote Against Net Neutrality
Jillian Rayfield | April 5, 2011

The White House Office of Management and Budget said Monday that it "strongly opposes" efforts by the House of Representatives to invalidate net neutrality rules, and threatened to veto any bill that would do so.

"If the President is presented with a Resolution of Disapproval that would not safeguard the free and open Internet, his senior advisers would recommend that he veto the Resolution," the OMB said in a statement.

In March, the House Communications and Technology Subcommittee approved a resolution that says that "Congress disapproves the rule submitted by the Federal Communications Commission relating to the matter of preserving the open Internet and broadband industry practices." The Subcommittee, passed the resolution by a vote of 15-8, and House Republicans are now pushing for a full vote.

The FCC voted in December for the "Open Internet Order", which would seek to prevent internet service providers from using their control of broadband networks to favor certain web content platforms while blocking access to others.

The White House said the House resolution "would undermine a fundamental part of the nation's internet and innovation strategy - an enforceable and effective policy for keeping the Internet free and open."

Republicans (and the Tea Party) have long opposed the FCC's efforts, arguing that the FCC is overstepping its authority by looking to expand its control over regulating phone and cable companies.

The threat of a veto represents another hiccup this week for net neutrality opponents. On Monday, the D.C. Court of Appeals dismissed two challenges to the FCC rule by Verizon and MetroPCS --- though its reasoning was that the companies could not challenge the order until it is published in the Federal Register.


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I don't want the FCC anywhere near the internet. Once they have authority to regulate anything here they will eventually regulate everything here.

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There's pretty good arguments for and against net neutrality laws. So I'm ambivalent either way, but leaning towards in favor of this veto.


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so here is one good thing...

Obama just doesn't want anyone being able to tie him to a porn site membership...

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I don't want the FCC anywhere near the internet. Once they have authority to regulate anything here they will eventually regulate everything here.

Agreed. ArsTechnica(dot)com is full of liberal (sorry) techies that think NN is going to save the freedom of the net, but if anything it will raise costs and generally **** it up. What exactly are they safeguarding the internet from? Al Queda?

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The only thing "liberal techies" want to protect is an open internet that doesn't let internet service providers charge for tiered access to websites.


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South Korea regulates the Internet and it's working out pretty well for them.


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Define regulate. They also have a small country, where more than 50% of the population lives in one city. People complain about the unfairness of the companies in the US, but I'd really like to know the honest to god business side of why they do anything, before deciding that the government needs to be involved. The internet is not a right or needed for most people. If you are a construction worker, you do not need the internet to get a job.

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/thumbs up for the veto.

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Access to the internet certainly is not a right (you know, since rights aren't real), but the informational revolution brought on by the creation and spread of the internet is something that should be protected. That's what I think and my votes will be in support of that.

Saying that internet regulation is a result of anything other than companies not wanting people using so much bandwidth, or a terrible attempt at combating piracy is a farce.


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Lenas wrote:
Access to the internet certainly is not a right (you know, since rights aren't real), but the informational revolution brought on by the creation and spread of the internet is something that should be protected. That's what I think and my votes will be in support of that.

Saying that internet regulation is a result of anything other than companies not wanting people using so much bandwidth, or a terrible attempt at combating piracy is a farce.

Ayup. This. 100%.


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I just want whatever makes my Internet speed the fastest with preferably low costs and without annoying **** like caps or minutes. I'm not sure whether "net neutrality" laws would help that or not. If I had to bet, I'd say they wouldn't.


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Wwen wrote:
Define regulate. They also have a small country, where more than 50% of the population lives in one city. People complain about the unfairness of the companies in the US, but I'd really like to know the honest to god business side of why they do anything, before deciding that the government needs to be involved. The internet is not a right or needed for most people. If you are a construction worker, you do not need the internet to get a job.


You really don't see the problem in ISPs being able to select what data you can and cannot access? That's like a license to print money. Enjoy your new 2GB bandwidth cap for $100/month, while I block any website that gives my service a bad review or offers alternatives so you think you're getting a great deal.


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Xequecal wrote:
Wwen wrote:
Define regulate. They also have a small country, where more than 50% of the population lives in one city. People complain about the unfairness of the companies in the US, but I'd really like to know the honest to god business side of why they do anything, before deciding that the government needs to be involved. The internet is not a right or needed for most people. If you are a construction worker, you do not need the internet to get a job.


You really don't see the problem in ISPs being able to select what data you can and cannot access? That's like a license to print money. Enjoy your new 2GB bandwidth cap for $100/month, while I block any website that gives my service a bad review or offers alternatives so you think you're getting a great deal.


They haven't yet. I doubt it's a smart idea to regulate a problem that hasn't existed yet.


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.....right, they haven't yet because it's illegal to do so at the moment.

Losing NN would be an utter disaster. Comcast could start calling up popular websites and essentially demand protection money by threatening to remove access to said website from all their subscribers. Oh their subscribers don't like that? Too bad, Comcast has a monopoly in the majority of areas and is the only source of broadband.


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Xequecal wrote:
Wwen wrote:
Define regulate. They also have a small country, where more than 50% of the population lives in one city. People complain about the unfairness of the companies in the US, but I'd really like to know the honest to god business side of why they do anything, before deciding that the government needs to be involved. The internet is not a right or needed for most people. If you are a construction worker, you do not need the internet to get a job.


You really don't see the problem in ISPs being able to select what data you can and cannot access? That's like a license to print money. Enjoy your new 2GB bandwidth cap for $100/month, while I block any website that gives my service a bad review or offers alternatives so you think you're getting a great deal.


I think you're exaggerating somewhat. People are used to the internet as it is, and it isn't like they won't know things are blocked. ISPs also cannot price themselves right out of the market; a lot of people will discover they don't need internet nearly as badly if everyone is charging that kind of outrageous price.

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Canada hasn't invaded America yet because they lack the man power at the moment.

This way of arguing is fun.


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Canada hasn't invaded America yet because they lack the man power at the moment.

This way of arguing is fun.


That's really not a comparable situation; Canada cannot create the manpower by legislating it. Still, your point that the assumption about what ISPs supposedly "would do" based on nothing more than corporate mistrust is valid.

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ATT is going to cap me at 150 gig/month starting May 2nd. Whatever helps to curb that behavior gets my vote.

So, should I be supportive of NN, or agin it?


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Lenas wrote:
The only thing "liberal techies" want to protect is an open internet that doesn't let internet service providers charge for tiered access to websites.



Its their bandwidth - they can set up any pricing system they want. Holy hell whats your problem?

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Lenas wrote:
Access to the internet certainly is not a right (you know, since rights aren't real), but the informational revolution brought on by the creation and spread of the internet is something that should be protected. That's what I think and my votes will be in support of that.

Saying that internet regulation is a result of anything other than companies not wanting people using so much bandwidth, or a terrible attempt at combating piracy is a farce.



Rights are a philosophy, the idea that an information revolution should be protected also stems from an ideology and also your idea that something "should" be done or not done is not real.

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Xequecal wrote:
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Define regulate. They also have a small country, where more than 50% of the population lives in one city. People complain about the unfairness of the companies in the US, but I'd really like to know the honest to god business side of why they do anything, before deciding that the government needs to be involved. The internet is not a right or needed for most people. If you are a construction worker, you do not need the internet to get a job.


You really don't see the problem in ISPs being able to select what data you can and cannot access? That's like a license to print money. Enjoy your new 2GB bandwidth cap for $100/month, while I block any website that gives my service a bad review or offers alternatives so you think you're getting a great deal.



Right then I do without the internet at home and they lose subscribers. Why do people believe that companies can charge any price they want? Have you never seen a demand curve in your life?

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Elm, do you agree that markets in some industries can be inherently imperfect/inefficient due to "natural monopoly" features? If so, do you agree that the ISP market is an example of that?


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RangerDave wrote:
Elm, do you recognize that markets in some industries can be inherently imperfect/inefficient due to "natural monopoly" features?



No. Natural monopolies only exist for inelastic markets and those markets by nature are more efficient when in monopoly control.

There are no imperfect or inefficient market systems unless one imposes one's own outside morality on that market which is simply a way of labeling any market that doesn't do what you want it to do with a bad name.

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