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I've never seen that, probably 'cause it's not something that would pop up on my radar.

Are their claims that Obama's mom didn't meet those requirements?

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Yeah, apparently she was 18 when she had him, so that makes the five years after 16 pretty hard to pull off. I haven't even gone so far to see if she really was 18; I put it out there as more of a "Why not just put this **** to rest?", because it would seem to be a pretty simple thing. All the wrangling just makes something smell fishy. /shrug

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If he's legitimate (Im 99% certain he is) he's ratcheted up the issue by being less than transparent (wasn't that a buzz word during his campaign?) in his handling if the issue. That has lead to laws like this being concidered

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As I recall, every legal challenge on the issue was denied on the grounds of lack of standing. The state of Hawaii has stated the President has a birth certificate but won't/can't release it.

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Vindi beat me to it with the relevant section, but the fact is that simply ahving a USC parent does not automatically transmit citizenship.

It depends on 3 things:

1) When the child was born (as in, what time period because the law changed, but it never changed any requirements retroactively. I n other words, Obama must use the requirements for the time of his birth, not the requirements now.)
2) How long the USC parent had lived in the United States and what age they were during the years they lived here. Only time prior to the child's birth may be counted.
3) Whether the child was legitimate; illegitimacy does not preclude transmission of citizenship but it does change the rules slightly, especially for transmission from the father. That way, a kid cannot show up here claiming to be descended from a USC that impregnated his mother on a business trip or something as a free ticket to citizenship.

If BOTH parents are USCs and the child is born abroad, transmission is near-automatic; as long as one parent has resided in the U.S. (or, for children born after 01/13/41, in its outlying posessions) for ANY length of time, it is transmitted.

Obama does not have that circumstance, however, so if he were born in Kenya, his mother would have had to reside in the United States or its outlying posessions 10 years, at least 5 of them being after the age of 16, and all of them prior to his birth. Since she was only 18 years old at the time of his birth, she cannot possibly have lived 5 years in the U.S. before his birth but after her own 16th birthday.

That makes the question very simple: If he was born in Hawaii he is a citizen being both born in the United States and subjecto to its jurisdiction. If he was born in Kenya, he is not a citizen, as his mother cannot transmit based on the law at his birth, and which also precludes him from the Presidency even if he were to naturalize.

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He has put it to rest, though. He's provided a birth certificate, and the birth announcement in the newspaper at the time has been widely reported. Demands to see yet another, even more detailed version of his birth certificate is just conspiracy theorists grasping at straws. There's just no genuine question here - the dude was born in Hawaii.

And frankly, I don't blame him for not jumping through that additional hoop to satisfy the whackos. Even if he provides whatever extra documents they want, they'll just find something else to take issue with. That's how conspiracy theories work. More to the point, the widespread and obsessive focus on this issue is, I'm sorry, racist. It is just not a coincidence that the first black President in history is also the first one that large percentages of white people think might not be a natural born American citizen. That's not to say everyone who thinks there might be some doubt is a racist - the rumor/conspiracy-theory has been injected into the general Republican bloodstream now - but the origin and the core of the birther meme definitely is.

Because he hasn't ...The Supreme Court has not heard a single case on the matter, so I'm at odds as to how you've arrived at the latter. All the State of Hawaii has provided is a short form certification of live birth, which is amusingly not the same as the document requested in various court cases.

That said, I don't know or care where he was born. My issue with this subject is and always has been the legal tack his lawyers have taken in court. So, you can take your thinly veiled strawman and ad hominem and suck on em

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There is a genuine question here: who has standing to challenge the eligibility of a candidate? You do know that his lawyers filed an injunction against the Federal Judge in New Jersey that granted standing and the plaintiff's motion for discovery right?

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I don't know RD, if he'd just allowed his birth certificate to be shown it would go away. As for the citizenship/racist line of thought, I will remind you that before McCain was even nominated, it was becoming an issue for him, even though it was really a non-issue in that case. Yet, it died once evidence was presented ruling it out. If Obama had taken care of this from the get-go, instead of obfuscating, wrangling and dodging, it wouldn't be an issue either.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

Obama's argument that random citizens don't have standing is entirely in line with precedent, so it's not fair to blame him for it. That said, I'm not a big fan of that rule myself. Regardless, though, that's not what the birther movement is about anyway.

But the rulings don't apply to just individuals. One Judge ruled that only the sponsoring party could challenge eligibility; one judge ruled neither states nor Congress had standing ...

It's a problematic legal situation that's been handled atrociously. Quite honestly, why on earth would you file an injunction against discovery if you had nothing to hide? And, no, that something does not have to be and probably isn't birth outside the United States.

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At this point, I'm convinced that the "something" is a deep-seated desire to troll the **** out of an entire nation.

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And we will risk the ship, ourselves and all.

Actually, I don't think McCain did publicly release his birth certificate, though I may be mistaken. Either way, though, the McCain eligibility question was framed as a legal oddity, not an "OMG! He's not a real American!" kind of situation the way the Obama eligibility question has been. Hell, the Senate passed a unanimous resolution endorsing McCain's natural born status, while Republican Senators today duck and weave whenever Obama's citizenship comes up, and a plurality of Republican primary voters say they wouldn't even consider voting for a Republican candidate who completely dismissed the birther theory.

I have no idea if McCain released anything, it wasn't a question of where he was born, it was a question of whether where he was born met the required citizenship standards. I used that as an example that even old white guys get questioned.

As for "a plurality of Republican primary voters say they wouldn't even consider voting for a Republican candidate who completely dismissed the birther theory.", I'd like to see that plurality.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

I'd bet large sums of money that if we could read Obama's mind, his answer would be, "Because f*ck them, that's why. I'm not gonna be their n*gger." He knows damn well that racism is at the heart of the whole thing, and he's flat-out offended by the idea of giving in to it.

Poll just came out today. Looks like I was mistaken on the numbers though. I had the 38% and the 23% backwards. Sad that only a minority are clearly willing to support a non-birther, but still, my plurality comment was wrong. Sorry about that.

So by not providing the documentation, and spending even MORE money to not address this situation, he will gain PR points? I guess it's going to end up being who/how it's spun. If Obama avoids the issue yet again, or spends a ton of time and money to suppress, fight or ignore the law, it just gives much more traction to the idea that he's scared to address the issue. My only question is: why the hell doesn't he just get the damned piece of paper and settle the issue. If he's riding it for political gain, that wave is cresting and very well may crash right on his pompous head.

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Except you know for the suits filed by other African Americans right?

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No racism is what is being used as the justification to ignore things. Tea party pissed off about taxes and national debt? Theyre all racists thats why. Want to see Obamas birth certificate that he's spent far too much money to ignore and hide information on? Racism. Hate Obamacare? Racism.

Racism is being played so many times by Obamas handlers it's lost any real meaning.

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

Racism is at the heart of a claim that a guy who had a Kenyan citizen as a father might have been born in Kenya? He "knows this damn well"?

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This is just a variation of the "some of my best friends are black" argument.

To add to DE's post:
...and who's Kenyan grandmother was heard to have said she was present for the birth?

Too many issues not to have just dealt with it long ago.

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And that's just a variation of the "no true Scottsman" argument.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

I think believing that race isn't a factor is just as ridiculous as believing race is the only factor.

No it's not. I'm not saying those individuals aren't "true" African Americans. I'm saying that pointing to a few specific black people to counter charges of generalized racism is a classic dodge.