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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:00 pm 
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http://www.13wham.com/news/local/story/ ... 11jXw.cspx


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Rochester, N.Y - There are 49 people on the waiting list for a new heart at Strong Memorial Hospital.

13WHAM News has learned that a convicted rapist serving up to 40 years in prison, is being evaluated for a possible heart transplant.

Kenneth Pike, 55, was convicted in 1996 of raping and sodomizing a 13-year-old girl in Auburn, N.Y. He is serving his sentence at a state prison in Greene County.

Law Enforcement sources indicated that Pike was flown by Mercyflight to Strong last week and is being evaluated for a heart transplant.

Patient Information, a service at Strong Hospital, confirmed they have a patient by the name of Kenneth Pike who is in guarded condition.

Strong Hospital would not comment, citing HIPPA Privacy laws. The New York State Department of Corrections also declined comment.

13WHAM News also learned Pike is under 24 hour watch by Corrections Officers at Strong Hospital.

Strong Hospital did release a statement saying it is ethically responsible to treat all people in need of care. That statement goes on to say:

"Strong Hospital doctors, nurses and staff members are committed to providing that care without discrimination. We believe in and follow the organ allocation policies and guidelines of the federally regulated OPTN/United Network for Organ Sharing, which ensures equal consideration for transplantation and access to donated organs."

A heart transplant costs over $800,000. Though most insurance companies cover the procedure, it would be taxpayers in New York who would pay if a state inmate were to receive this surgery.

State Corrections Officials say four other inmates in past years have received kidney or liver transplants; 7 others had bone marrow transplants.


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I'd need more information. If they were just going to throw it out if this guy didn't get it? ;)
Sure, let him have it.

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I agree, more info is needed.

My slippery slope meter is pegged off scale high...


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They almost surely don't have an actual heart ready to go. Those don't last long after the previous owner dies and it's not like you can freeze it. I think 24 hours is the max and that wouldn't be enough time for there to be a story on it pre-transplant. When it says he's being "evaluated" it probably means they're going to HLA-type him so they'll know if a matching heart becomes available in the future.


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But you'd be totally okay with it if taxpayer dollars were spent to give this guy, who brutally raped a 13 year old, a new heart?

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Ahhhhh!

conflict of morals....
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While I think that a prisoner should have ZERO rights... would I really want to knowingly cause the death of someone who needs the transplant?

Also, I am tempted to say "he is a prisoner let him suffer"... but he is not on death row, so he has a chance to be out of prison one day. Hell he could be paroled next year, if he is alive.

But then is it right to burden the taxpayers with an $800,000 bill for this operation?

CoI to the extreme...

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EDIT: Were it my daughter he raped.... I would be 100% on the "let this prick die"

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I'd say in general that he's paying his debt to society and therefore is eligible. The only way I'd really mitigate that is if he's got life in prison. My thought is if he's sentenced to die in prison then the heart should go to somebody who can be productive with it. If he will get out though, then I consider him fully eligible.

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It is my understanding that transplants are given on some sort of point scale. Didn't we discuss this before? For example, the young mother of two is more likely to get a transplant before the 50 year old bachelor or something like that? My point being that just because this guy is being evaluated doesn't mean he will get a transplant. He will be bumped on the list in favor of someone else.


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When I read the thread title, my assumption was that the hospital was evaluating a still-alive rapist for the possibility of removing his heart and giving it to someone else.

I kinda like my version better.


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But Screeling, should that be paid on the public dime?

If he were not in prison and needed a new heart, but could not afford it... he would not be likely to receive the surgery. (this is where more /headexplode comes in for me.)

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FarSky wrote:
When I read the thread title, my assumption was that the hospital was evaluating a still-alive rapist for the possibility of removing his heart and giving it to someone else.

I kinda like my version better.


I did too as well. I thought "really they are going to kill a rapist, holy ****!"

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He should ask his doctor if his heart is healthy enough for rape.

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darksiege wrote:
While I think that a prisoner should have ZERO rights... would I really want to knowingly cause the death of someone who needs the transplant?


And what about other prisoners? While I'm tempted to say "**** him" about this guy, what about some shmuck in for something minor? Yeesh, that's a slippery slope.

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"First do no harm."

Indeed, but the laws of triage apply. If he's dying doctors have a responsibility to not harm him. They may even have a responsibility to see he dies comfortably. That doesn't mean he has to have access to extraordinary means or limited resources. Due to the complications of the process and the limit of organs transplants are generally considered optional.

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And what about other prisoners? While I'm tempted to say "**** him" about this guy, what about some shmuck in for something minor? Yeesh, that's a slippery slope.


Yeah... hence the /headexplode

That is not a decision I would want resting on me. just DONOTWANT

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As long as there is one person *not* in prison that can benefit. Then no way. But then again,... rapist... so he can go ahead and die in the fiery pits of hellfire and damnation. Just **** rapists.

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If somehow he was going to be paying for the transplant, I wouldn't give two shits. But the fact is that taxpayer money is going to be spent on this bullshit if he actually does get the heart transplant. That doesn't sit right with me at all.

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If somehow he was going to be paying for the transplant, I wouldn't give two shits. But the fact is that taxpayer money is going to be spent on this bullshit if he actually does get the heart transplant. That doesn't sit right with me at all.

Pretty much this.

I'm sitting here wondering -- if he weren't in prison, but were on some other public healthcare, would a heart transplant be paid for?

That is to say, is the prison system offering *better* medical care than, say, medicaid?

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No he shouldn't get a transplant. By committing this crime he has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he does not wish to participate in society. Why should he ever reap the benefits while he is paying that debt? Once that's done? Absolutly. On the taxpayer dime? Never.

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All you guys saying you don't want to be the one to make the decision, I'll do it for you.

Screw this guy. I'm pretty sure that any donor wouldn't want their organs going to keep this piece of garbage alive.


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No he shouldn't get a transplant. By committing this crime he has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he does not wish to participate in society. Why should he ever reap the benefits while he is paying that debt? Once that's done? Absolutly. On the taxpayer dime? Never.


A few more thoughts. A person should be able to sell their organs. So if this guy needs a heart, and can sell a kidney for it or get the cost of the transplant covered by his donation- by all means do so.

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Just **** rapists.


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Hannibal wrote:

A few more thoughts. A person should be able to sell their organs. So if this guy needs a heart, and can sell a kidney for it or get the cost of the transplant covered by his donation- by all means do so.


I like this idea.

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Allowing people to sell organs would have serious effects on organ transplants. Why sign up to be an organ donor when you can instead opt for your estate auctioning them off after your death?


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