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I've seen several different quotes on the 'no country willing to accept' thing...

The most common ones imply that they didn't *think* they could get a a country to accept his body, but how hard did they try? Anyone verify that any governments were contacted about accepting his body? How long after his death was the body disposed of?

Sorry, I'm not buying it...


Would you let the US plant his remains in your backyard? If not, why?


Tourist dollars!!!! Yes!

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About the same amount as we have right now?


LOL, but seriously, if you decide you need an individual dead (I know you are debating the need for this, but regardless), you don't drop bombs on them. You could miss, and not know whether or not you got him for a long time.


Seriously, we've been over this already (did you read the thread?)

The DNA is meaningless unless someone who isn't implicated witnessed it. Otherwise it's just someone saying there is DNA evidence. this goes back to 'why the rush to dispose of the body'... they could have had a UN or Pakistani observe the DNA testing.... They couldn't wait? Should have easily been doable within the 24 hours....

Same goes for the as yet unreleased photo of a 'unrecognizable body'.


Seriously, did you read my post? What part of don't drop bombs if you want to confirm someone's been killed has to do with DNA evidence?

Also, I've answered the "why rush to dispose of the body" several times in this thread (did you read the thread?)


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Elmo,

I'm a little disappointed. I expected something like "as long as I can shoot anyone that comes to protest..."


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Seriously, did you read my post?

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Also, I've answered the "why rush to dispose of the body" several times in this thread (did you read the thread?)


Considering I've responded to most of them, I'm going to take this as you just being an *******, and otherwise ignore it....


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Midgen wrote:
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I'm a little disappointed. I expected something like "as long as I can shoot anyone that comes to protest..."


Bullets cost money, 5 dollar entrance fee makes money.

Capitalist...hello?

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Same goes for the as yet unreleased photo of a 'unrecognizable body'.


I don't mean to nitpick, but since we're all linguistics experts here, they said it was a "not unrecognizable" photo. Double negative = pretty easy to tell it's him.


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Same goes for the as yet unreleased photo of a 'unrecognizable body'.


I don't mean to nitpick, but since we're all linguistics experts here, they said it was a "not unrecognizable" photo. Double negative = pretty easy to tell it's him.

More accurately, double negative = not hard to tell it's him.

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I've been trying to refrain from getting into this, but I suspect that the dumping of the body was done for, yes, a variety of reasons. But I suspect that one important one is that he wasn't killed in the firefight itself:

Obama wrote:
Today, at my direction, the United States launched a targeted operation against that compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan. A small team of Americans carried out the operation with extraordinary courage and capability. No Americans were harmed. They took care to avoid civilian casualties. After a firefight, they killed Osama bin Laden and took custody of his body.


Emphasis added. From Obama's speech last night.

Now, maybe that's just more semantics. But they worked on this speech for a long time and actually delayed it. Hard to believe that's not what they meant to say. Not "in" or "during" a firefight, but, after.

Strikes me that they didn't want an autopsy done even within 24 hours, so they wouldn't find powder burns on the back of his head. I dunno, maybe not - it's not like they were going to go out of their way not to shoot him. Interesting that no one's really asking about this aspect of it, though. Seems like they didn't want to go to a trial or have to keep him in custody (capturing him alive), and this was the easy way out. Get rid of the body, and you don't have to answer those questions about why he didn't come back to stand trial.

Honestly, though, I, too, was surprised that there was no body to display. You'd think that would have been integral to announcement. In fact, I thought that perhaps this had been done a few days ago, and they were waiting to get the body back to the States or something to make the announcement.

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I'd be okay with the US dumping his body to hide evidence that they executed him and didn't just kill him with some crossfire. I like the idea, actually.

Apparently this photo was snapped while it was going down:
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That's a great photo, actually. It's kind of funny that the CoC didn't get a chair at the table, but it really makes sense.

Who's the pile of medals with a head?


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I wonder if Hilary just saw someone get domed.

Edit - Flipping that picture (I found a high-res - http://cl.ly/3t3S2I1X3F3k2M1A1w2Q) shows that Hilary is holding a notebook with the title of "Top Secret Codeword Notory (?)"


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Who's the pile of medals with a head?

His name is Webb


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The guy in uniform is an Air Force Brigadier General, but I can't make out the name tag. I think that is Petraeus standing behind him in the brown shirt with 4 stars on the color.

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Whats the highest res that pic is available in because it shows a badge with high enough clearance to be there.

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http://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/2011 ... en-attack/


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Mr. Athar opened his Twitter account in May 2007, and had only around 750 followers as of April 30, according to Web site twittercounter.com. He now has around 13,000 and counting.

Obviously, it was a plant, cunningly placed by the Obama administration (prior to his election), so that he could use this dummy account as an incidental piece of evidence to bolster the veracity of his conspiratorial claim!


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Purely as an aside, its probably a good thing that our leaders have a more.... first eye... view of the battles soldiers are called upon to fight. Perhaps leaders will be less capricious about sending men and women into battle if they have to see lives snuffed out as they happen.

Obama looks rough in this photo.


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Nah. He was just already a CIA resource.

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Edit - Flipping that picture (I found a high-res - http://cl.ly/3t3S2I1X3F3k2M1A1w2Q) shows that Hilary is holding a notebook with the title of "Top Secret Codeword Notory (?)"

Even bigger version here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/whitehouse/5680724572/sizes/o/in/photostream/

It says:
TOP SECRET CODEWORD NOFORN
FOR USE IN WHITEHOUSE SITUATION ROOM ONLY

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The guy in uniform is an Air Force Brigadier General, but I can't make out the name tag. I think that is Petraeus standing behind him in the brown shirt with 4 stars on the color.

"Air Force Brigadier General" is Brigadier General Marshall Webb, "Patraeus" is Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Mike Mullen

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Okay, guess I don't look at the news enough.

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Purely as an aside, its probably a good thing that our leaders have a more.... first eye... view of the battles soldiers are called upon to fight. Perhaps leaders will be less capricious about sending men and women into battle if they have to see lives snuffed out as they happen.

Obama looks rough in this photo.


They're like the people in the Bourne Trilogy who stand behind the large tv screens and order people to get killed.


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"And if we have Osama bin Laden in our sights and the Pakistani government is unable or unwilling to take them out, then I think that we have to act, and we will take them out." - Barack Obama, Oct. 7, 2008

Look, a campaign promise he kept! :)

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Imagine if the Pakistani's flew helicopters into the U.S. to raid a house and assassinate someone...


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Hard to imagine how they would get them here. However, shortly afterward Pakistan wouldn't have an army or navy or air force to speak of.

Not saying it is right, just saying that the USA as the Big Dog, gets away with this stuff when we get tired of saying please.

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You made a positive assertion, "it didn't happen".
Except, that's not a positive assertion ...

You see, you are buying into the same false dilemma thinking TheRiov keeps using. Stating that the events claimed by our government did not happen does not mean Bin Laden must be alive. As there are any number of possible options involving our government and Bin Laden and the status of his life or death, pronouncing that things did not happen as our President claimed is simply disputing the veracity of his press conference ...

Again, even if we assume the President forthright and honest, destroying the primary evidence is stupid ...

A) You can no longer independently verify their DNA matching.

B) You cannot verify the source of the DNA evidence.

C) You cannot verify the body itself.

Destroying the body before conclusively proving it was or was not Osama Bin Laden was the worst possible course of action. And, if he happens to be alive instead of dead, it reaches new levels of stupidity ...


No, it's prefect. Obama can not lose politically. If the admin is theoretically lying, they've created a win win situation. If he was already dead, they snatched up the credit for Obama's term in office. A person in AQ that might know Osama died some other time isn't going to risk outing themselves to say otherwise. If he's not dead, Osama would be risking capture by coming forward and if he did come forward, the admin can just say it was a ruse to get him to denounce his own death. If they're lying and destroyed the evidence, or are just saying they are, it's **** brilliant.

If they got him and then buried his body at sea for some reason they are **** retarded.

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