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Kaffis Mark V wrote:
Long-term, the tiny town is already doomed and I'd rather the money just go to helping families relocate to communities with a better outlook.


You say that, and while I don't disagree with you, all it takes is ONE SOB STORY for the entire country to be up in arms....one minority family who has had that house that was built by their great grandcestor who was a freed slave and is now owned by the descendant who is a christian single mother to 12 children with disabilities or something like that.
No politician wants to be put in that position.

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I wonder if part of the problem, too, is that flood water is no longer nice and clean the way the Nile might have been. Probably a lot of toxic crap, heavy metals, etc. in the silt that's gonna get laid down by this.


Not really. The concentrations we'd be talking about during a flood are not very significant.

In a town, OMG yes they are (sewage, household chems, warehouse and industry chems, automotive chems, etc), but not really in main channel flood waters, or rural areas.

So, when you see people wading through flood waters in a city, keep in mind that the sewers have backed up, the industrial areas have all been flooded, etc.


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You say that, and while I don't disagree with you, all it takes is ONE SOB STORY for the entire country to be up in arms....one minority family who has had that house that was built by their great grandcestor who was a freed slave and is now owned by the descendant who is a christian single mother to 12 children with disabilities or something like that.
No politician wants to be put in that position.


That's a great story, but I'd probably leave the Christian part out if you want any sympathy to be relayed by the mainstream media... :p


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LadyKate wrote:
You say that, and while I don't disagree with you, all it takes is ONE SOB STORY for the entire country to be up in arms....one minority family who has had that house that was built by their great grandcestor who was a freed slave and is now owned by the descendant who is a christian single mother to 12 children with disabilities or something like that.
No politician wants to be put in that position.


That's a great story, but I'd probably leave the Christian part out if you want any sympathy to be relayed by the mainstream media... :p


I was just trying to cover all my bases there. :D

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Aethien wrote:
I wonder if part of the problem, too, is that flood water is no longer nice and clean the way the Nile might have been. Probably a lot of toxic crap, heavy metals, etc. in the silt that's gonna get laid down by this.


Not really. The concentrations we'd be talking about during a flood are not very significant.

In a town, OMG yes they are (sewage, household chems, warehouse and industry chems, automotive chems, etc), but not really in main channel flood waters, or rural areas.

So, when you see people wading through flood waters in a city, keep in mind that the sewers have backed up, the industrial areas have all been flooded, etc.

But the river itself is the third toxic in the country (though I believe that statistic is generally measured at the mouths or confluence points of rivers and tributaries, so I'm not exactly sure where the Mississippi would fall prior to joining the Ohio, which is one of the top 2 as well), including notable heavy metal toxicity as well as high e. coli concentrations, in addition to fertilizer runoff.

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Kaffis Mark V wrote:
Arathain Kelvar wrote:
Aethien wrote:
I wonder if part of the problem, too, is that flood water is no longer nice and clean the way the Nile might have been. Probably a lot of toxic crap, heavy metals, etc. in the silt that's gonna get laid down by this.


Not really. The concentrations we'd be talking about during a flood are not very significant.

In a town, OMG yes they are (sewage, household chems, warehouse and industry chems, automotive chems, etc), but not really in main channel flood waters, or rural areas.

So, when you see people wading through flood waters in a city, keep in mind that the sewers have backed up, the industrial areas have all been flooded, etc.

But the river itself is the third toxic in the country (though I believe that statistic is generally measured at the mouths or confluence points of rivers and tributaries, so I'm not exactly sure where the Mississippi would fall prior to joining the Ohio, which is one of the top 2 as well), including notable heavy metal toxicity as well as high e. coli concentrations, in addition to fertilizer runoff.


Sure, but E. Coli is bacteria, and is not going to be sucked up by crops. Unless you run out there, pick up a tomato and gobble it down during a flood, you'll be fine. Heavy metals will be bound to and just stay in the soil. Again, these are not taken up significantly by crops. It could be bad for critters living in the soil. Fertilizer runoff, well, flooding farmland would just be putting it back where it came from. Besides, we are talking about highly diluted concentrations, if we're talking about a flood of this magnitude. Spread out over 130,000 acres.

The Mississippi is highly pollutted, but the primary concerns are nutrients (good for crops) and sediment. Bacteria's a concern, but won't harm farmland.


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