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How many extra bodies can you fit in a black hawk helicopter? (remember they had 2, lost 1) so had to squeeze everyone into one. If you gotta take one, Obama would be the one.

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I'm truly curious...

No, it's not. We have tried in the past and there's no reason why I would think we stopped completely. Not to mention, we aren't exactly the best example of following the Geneva Convention right now.

While not important to the discussion, I am also curious as to how people would have reacted if this was the Bush admin as well.

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How many extra bodies can you fit in a black hawk helicopter? (remember they had 2, lost 1) so had to squeeze everyone into one. If you gotta take one, Obama would be the one.


You apparently haven't been following along Riov..

A third helicopter was brought in to evacuate the occupants of the one that crashed....

And speaking about the crashed helicopter, here's abcnews.com talking about the stealth technology that is probably on its way to China by now...

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http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/top-secre ... d=13530693

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News consultant Richard Clarke said U.S. officials may have reason to worry about where those parts end up.

"There are probably people in the Pentagon tonight who are very concerned that pieces of the helicopter may be, even now, on their way to China, because we know that China is trying to make stealth aircraft," he said. The Chinese military is known to have a close relationship with the Pakistani military.


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Having an extra helicopter along for the occupants of the one that crashed does not mean there was also enough room to pack in a bunch of additional corpses.

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Except that not one single one of those things were given as reasons that OBL's body was taken off that compound and dropped... er... lowered gently into the arabian sea...

And if Pakistan can make arrangements for those other dead souls, why not OBL? The DNA sample could have been taken from his dead body in the very spot where they ventilated his skull...


They may not have made a decision about what to do about OBL's body until after it was already on the way to, or aboard, Carl Vinson.

More importantly, the other bodies were left in Pakistan, a Muslim country, near a major military area, where the explosion and helicopters meant people would be present to take care of the other bodies in Muslim fashion very quickly. OBL's body was the only one of significance, so it was the only one taken.

The taking of the body drove the need to dispose of it in a fashion assumed to be acceptable to muslims, not the reverse.

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DE, I wasn't seriously suggesting that they take those bodies with them..

It was more a commentary on the whole "take the body as evidence and then 'bury' it at sea" farce...

That sounds more like something I'd read on The Onion than something the President of the United States should be commanding over....


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DE, I wasn't seriously suggesting that they take those bodies with them..

It was more a commentary on the whole "take the body as evidence and then 'bury' it at sea" farce...

That sounds more like something I'd read on The Onion than something the President of the United States should be commanding over....


I realize that you weren't. Of all the people on this board, I am completely sure you have an appreciation for the load limits of an aircraft. ;) What I was pointing out that was, while TheRiov was mistaken about the number of aircraft, his basic point about the available lifting capacity was accurate.

However, I see nothing at all strange about taking the body, garnering the evidence from it and then someone saying "Wait a sec.. what are we doing with this thing?" especially if other countries declined to accept the corpse and our plans in that regard were shot. I don't see anything Onionesque about this; things just don't always go right.

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...garnering the evidence from it and then someone saying "Wait a sec.. what are we doing with this thing?" ...


Now this is some asininery I might be convinced happened ! :p


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"Um, sir, you did ask us to get OBL, dead or alive."

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How many extra bodies can you fit in a black hawk helicopter?

<Mr. Owl>Let's find out! One!....Twwoooooo!...</Mr. Owl>

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Can't someone just FOIA the picture?

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Can't someone just FOIA the picture?


Sure. And when its released in 6 years, we'd see it

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Midgen wrote:
Except that not one single one of those things were given as reasons that OBL's body was taken off that compound and dropped... er... lowered gently into the arabian sea...

And if Pakistan can make arrangements for those other dead souls, why not OBL? The DNA sample could have been taken from his dead body in the very spot where they ventilated his skull...


Are you seriously that dense that you need the government to paint a picture with crayons for you?

All of those things are readily apparent and obvious.


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Questions that some of you may wish to consider:
For what is the US Government accountable, and to whom?

This is truly the crux of the matter to which this discussion has devolved. It is readily apparent and obvious that some of you are willing to permit the US Government greater leeway in their activities than others. At least, at times.

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Questions that some of you may wish to consider:
For what is the US Government accountable, and to whom?

This is truly the crux of the matter to which this discussion has devolved. It is readily apparent and obvious that some of you are willing to permit the US Government greater leeway in their activities than others. At least, at times.



They are not really accountable to anyone for this. They could be accountable to Pakistan or Al Qaeda, or bin Laden's family, if they were in a situation to do anything about it. However, they don't owe the world (or even the people of the USA) anything more than an "F.Y.I. - we shot bin Laden" for this. Actually scratch that...they don't even owe the world that. They don't give the world any notifications when they shoot any other terrorists in their homes. They just go do it. But in this case, there's just no reason to hide it, and lots of reasons to tell everyone.

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shuyung wrote:
Questions that some of you may wish to consider:
For what is the US Government accountable, and to whom?

This is truly the crux of the matter to which this discussion has devolved. It is readily apparent and obvious that some of you are willing to permit the US Government greater leeway in their activities than others. At least, at times.


I think the answer to this is both easy and already known.

The US Government is accountable for all it's actions, and to it's people.

Now, there are many times where it's people don't hold it accountable, but that is a different issue.

In this case, I believe that the population as a whole has been satisfied with the level of accountability shown by the US Government.


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shuyung wrote:
Questions that some of you may wish to consider:
For what is the US Government accountable, and to whom?

This is truly the crux of the matter to which this discussion has devolved. It is readily apparent and obvious that some of you are willing to permit the US Government greater leeway in their activities than others. At least, at times.


The government is always accountable to the people. That doesn't mean it needs to prove or justify every action it takes to every citizen, it just means that it needs to provide an appropriate level of justification and proof to satisfy the demands of the people as a whole.

So, in this case, if the people as a whole were demanding a body, then Obama would be up ****'s creek.


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http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/05/ ... hting-man/

And it would just not be the NY times if it did not get it's anti military jabs in.

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Yeah, typical behavior. Still, someone needs to, though. I cringe at the idea of our military being above criticism. Generally, I find if folks are being criticized, they're paying attention to what they are doing and keeping themselves in check. Mostly.


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I think it's great to criticize a military that goes on missions to shoot people who are probably unarmed, especially into countries we're not at war with.


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Müs wrote:
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Can't someone just FOIA the picture?


Sure. And when its released in 6 years, we'd see it

AP, I think, has already made the request.

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It didn't happen. This is merely a political ploy to secure Obama's re-election; and I hope the American public is smart enough to see this.


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Al-Qaeda confirms bin Laden's death

Is Al-Qaeda in on the coverup too?

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Al-Qaeda confirms bin Laden's death

Is Al-Qaeda in on the coverup too?

That goes without saying since Obama is a muslim jihadist :roll:

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Yeah, typical behavior. Still, someone needs to, though. I cringe at the idea of our military being above criticism. Generally, I find if folks are being criticized, they're paying attention to what they are doing and keeping themselves in check. Mostly.


The problem with this is that the people doing the cricticizing far more often than not either do not know what they are talking about, or do not care about the facts beyond what will sell papers (or other news). Cricticism of the military would far better serve the public if the press would stop trying to simplify everything to sound bites and start learning more about the technical details of what they are cricticizing.

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