Xequecal wrote:
Rafael wrote:
Except our taxes are much higher because the deficits between the budget and revenues collected from various taxes (the stated numbers), not to mention deficit which eventually gets funded by Treasury Securities which bare interest, gets glossed over and lost due to monetary inflation. M3 isn't published anymore so it's not really possible to say what this number is.
Couple this with the fact that we are increasingly become a debtor nation at a magnitude much greater than we were ever a creditor (and we were once the world's largest creditor) and the inflationary money problem with government budgets funded by increasingly less desirable Treasury Securities and you have quite a Tax on the Average Working American who pays his way through life with his wage.
This man or woman cannot measure the taxes, but he sure and **** can feel them.
Every Western country has large amounts of public debt. European countries in general have our SS and Medicare problems times ten with their own social insurance. Even China, the country people like to trot out as "doing things right," has a large amount of public debt.
I really have a hard time accepting that large public debts cause economic ruin because if that's true then the entire world economy is ruined forever. The fact is, pretty much everyone runs massive public debts. The only exceptions are the oil exporters, and not only is that going to dry up soon for them, but even some of them have started running large debts despite their massive oil wealth. (Saudi Arabia)
If we want to be the 1950s economic powerhouse again we're going to have to take the Chinese philosophy regarding human life. China's economic growth is so high because human life is worthless there. Not only does the government only provide minimal social programs, but decades of Communism have left the country three-fourths atheist. Every Chinese citizen knows that if they get into ****, not only is the government not going to help them, but there's no Abrahamic charity that's going to help them either. In fact, their neighbors are more likely to spit on them and ask them to please die quickly to stop dragging our economic miracle down. That's why they all work 16 hours a day and save 25% of their income.
It doesn't work like that. Not every nation can be a debtor nation. You are completely disregarding the fact that in order for debt to be issued, a creditor must have savings deposits at his disposal. In banking system where entities operate on fraction reserve, there can be a greater accumulation of commercial money than there is actual deposits. When nations do this with each other, it become more tricky to actually account for everything, as commercial money tends to get created faster than debt gets repaid.
However, there are two fundamental indicators that show which economies outperform others in terms of keeping creation of commercial money (and money supply itself, which works definitely because it does not require deposits in a fiat system) growth in check: strength of currency and savings rates. What have both of those done in this country in the past months? You could say health of bond market, but that ties closely in with currency strength or things that affect currency strength (solvency of government).